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Happy Bureaucratship Anniversary!
Tech News: 2022-41
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Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 October. It will be on all wikis from 13 October (calendar).
- On some wikis, Kartographer maps in full size view will be able to display nearby articles. After a feedback period, more wikis will follow. [1][2]
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14:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
You'll know
Last year, there was a page somewhere where people listed things they wanted to be brought up in the next year's ACE RFC. I'm getting all turned around with all the various ACE-related talk pages. Where was that? Per our discussion on the EC talk page, I want to leave a reminder to 2023 Floq about the EC. Also, as I said there, I was sure you'd already been on the EC several times, so I'm glad you're running. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam last year's was here, this section is a good place to note 2023 ideas for now. I have worked as a "coordinator" on the elections, but never sat on the commission; I do think I have a lot of historical and technical knowledge to lend but have had feedback that I might not be the best person to deal with "flexible" situations - one of (many) reasons I haven't run for arbcom, I think there are just better people to deal with the issues most likely to arise in those positions. Thank you for your support! — xaosflux Talk 15:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think I'd be good at handling flexible situations but would be truly horrible at technical knowledge and remembering historical lessons. Together we would make an excellent single EC member! --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
CSS IF
I don't think that the css supports the IF wrapper
FYI, in case you didn't know, there's an "if" option in CSS. Try mw.util.addCSS('@media screen and (max-width:600px){body{background:green}}') and resize your browser window. Not sure there's any reliable way to select Commons though. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Alexis Jazz I was mostly referring to the lack (as fast as I know) of being able to do this in css: mw:Help:Extension:GlobalCssJs#To_exclude_a_wiki. With "and" and "not:" some conditionals are certainly possible; thanks for the note. — xaosflux Talk 09:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Revdel?
Hello, I just wanted to ask if you felt this edit merited revdel. I'm asking under the assumption the names in that edit might possibly be those of real people rather than just a bunch of ones the editor made up. Egsan Bacon (talk) 21:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks!Egsan Bacon (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Egsan Bacon I suppressed that edit and left the editor a note. Could it be legitimate info - who knows, if it is the editor certainly needs guidance on how to improve their contributions. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 22:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Deployment of Vector (2022).
Thinking back at it, yeah. I did not realize others commented on this until right now. Good catch :D Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 17:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- If it's a totally dead topic, feel free to initialize and move it to a /Archive page — xaosflux Talk 17:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Draft article/Opt-out
Template:Draft article/Opt-out has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
| Happy First Edit Day! Hi Xaosflux! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 03:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC) |
Reporting ip.
Please protect Hakkas wikipage and block the ip 219.78.77.203 has repeatedly disrupted the Hakkas wikipage and ignored my warning given to the ip on WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES:
[[3]] Hakkameizhow (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't obvious vandalism, please discuss on the article talk page. — xaosflux Talk 16:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is turning into a bit of a CIR case with forumshopping. See my user talk as well as Reaper Eternal's. -- ferret (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'm going to see my way out of it! — xaosflux Talk 20:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is turning into a bit of a CIR case with forumshopping. See my user talk as well as Reaper Eternal's. -- ferret (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Evidence in arbitration case
Regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block/Evidence § Evidence presented by Xaosflux: could you consider reversing the order of the log entries so they are in chronological order? I appreciate the MediaWiki software displays the log in reverse chronological order, but I think for the purpose of making the narrative easier to follow, chronological order is simpler. Thank you. isaacl (talk) 07:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Isaacl
Done, hope that helps. — xaosflux Talk 09:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks very much! isaacl (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-42
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Recent changes
- The recently implemented feature of article thumbnails in Special:Search will be limited to Wikipedia projects only. Further details are in T320510. [4]
- A bug that caused problems in loading article thumbnails in Special:Search has been fixed. Further details are in T320406.
Changes later this week
Lua module authors can use
mw.loadJsonData()to load data from JSON pages. [5]require( "strict" )to add errors for some possible code problems. This replaces "Module:No globals" on most wikis. [6]
Future changes
- The Beta Feature for DiscussionTools will be updated at most wikis. The "reply" button will look different after this change. [7]
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Tech News: 2022-43
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There have been some minor visual fixes in Special:Search, regarding audio player alignment and image placeholder height. Further details are in T319230.
- On Wikipedias, a new preference has been added to hide article thumbnails in Special:Search. Full details are in T320337.
Problems
- Last week, three wikis (French Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia) had read-only access for 25 minutes. This was caused by a hardware problem. [8]
Changes later this week
- Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Assamese Wikipedia, Bashkir Wikipedia, Balinese Wikipedia, Bavarian Wikipedia, Samogitian Wikipedia, Bikol Central Wikipedia, Belarusian Wikipedia, Belarusian (Taraškievica) Wikipedia, Bulgarian Wikipedia, Bhojpuri Wikipedia, Bislama Wikipedia, Banjar Wikipedia, Bambara Wikipedia, Bishnupriya Wikipedia, Breton Wikipedia, Bosnian Wikipedia, Buginese Wikipedia, Buryat Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [9]
- Starting on Wednesday October 26, 2022, the list of mentors will be upgraded at wikis where Growth mentorship is available. The mentorship system will continue to work as it does now. The signup process will be replaced, and a new management option will be provided. Also, this change simplifies the creation of mentorship systems at Wikipedias. [10][11][12]
- Pages with titles that start with a lower-case letter according to Unicode 11 will be renamed or deleted. There is a list of affected pages at m:Unicode 11 case map migration. More information can be found at T292552.
- The Vector 2022 skin will become the default across the smallest Wikipedias. Learn more.
Future changes
- The Reply tool and New Topic tool will soon get a special characters menu. [13]
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Question
Regarding [14], did they ask for this? If not, it should be reversed. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Primefac as that poster continues to edit logged out linking that userid and IP, it is fairly useless now and has been undone; thank you for the note. — xaosflux Talk 17:17, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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Tech News: 2022-44
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Recent changes
- When using keyboard navigation on a Kartographer map, the focus will become more visible. [15]
- In Special:RecentChanges, you can now hide the log entries for new user creations with the filter for "⧼rcfilters-filter-newuserlogactions-label⧽". [16]
Changes later this week
- The maps dialog in VisualEditor now has some help texts. [17]
- It is now possible to select the language of a Kartographer map in VisualEditor via a dropdown menu. [18]
- It is now possible to add a caption to a Kartographer map in VisualEditor. [19]
- It is now possible to hide the frame of a Kartographer map in VisualEditor. [20]
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2022).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- The article creation at scale RfC opened on 3 October and will be open until at least 2 November.
- An RfC is open to discuss having open requests for adminship automatically placed on hold after the seven-day period has elapsed, pending closure or other action by a bureaucrat.
Arbitration
- Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 13 November 2022 until 22 November 2022 to stand in the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections.
- The arbitration case request titled Athaenara has been resolved by motion.
- The arbitration case Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block has entered the proposed decision stage.
- AmandaNP, Mz7 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2022 Arbitration Committee Elections. Xaosflux and Dr vulpes are reserve commissioners.
Miscellaneous
- The 2022 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of two new CheckUsers.
- You can add yourself to the centralised page listing time zones of administrators.
- Tech tip: Wikimarkup in a block summary is parsed in the notice that the blockee sees. You can use templates with custom options to specify situations like
{{rangeblock|create=yes}}or{{uw-ublock|contains profanity}}.
Query
Hello, Xaosflux,
I always check out any admin I come across in page histories or other places that I'm not familiar with. This time it was DESiegel. I noted that they hadn't edited since October 2021 or had a admin logged action since October 2021. So, I went to BN expecting to see their name on the soon-to-be-desysoped-for-inactivity list (as they had a notice on their Talk page) but they weren't listed. Is this an oversight by the bot? FYI, back in October 2021, they made a single edit and a single admin action to remain active. Any way, I thought I'd inquire here since you post the list rather than on the high profile noticeboard. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. Liz Read! Talk! 07:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Liz DESiegel last had a log in November 2021 (Special:Redirect/logid/123297372), as such, they are currently on the pending-removal list for December (c.f. Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators#December_2022). Did that answer your question? — xaosflux Talk 09:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-45
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Recent changes
- An updated version of the Event Registration tool is now available for testing at testwiki and test2wiki. The tool provides features for event organizers and participants. Your feedback is welcome at our project talkpage. More information about the project is available. [21]
Problems
- Twice last week, for about 45 minutes, some files and thumbnails failed to load and uploads failed, mostly for logged-in users. The cause is being investigated and an incident report will be available soon.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
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A barnstar for you!
| The Original Barnstar | |
| Thank you Braggy (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
| The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
| For your continuous and tireless help throughout the years in SqWiki matters. A great help and a great friend! - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2022 (UTC) |
Everywhere
You know, there once was an editor whose name used to make me smile - User:Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
This editor was everywhere. Didn't matter, day or night, I'd see them active on my watchlist, and on just about any talk page I might go to edit. They are apparently, of course, long gone.
But then I look around things today and now who do I find?
You. Everywhere.
But seriously. YOU. ARE. EVERYWHERE.
lol
The amount of contribution, the how much of your time you generously give to the community, just simply deserves a well-earned barnstar.
Thank you for all that you do. - jc37 00:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
| The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
| Thank you for all that you do. - jc37 00:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC) |
- @Jc37: well it's a big place, but I get around! I remember CSCWEM from way back, just looked at their history and found this: Special:PermaLink/180540149#A_new_flavor_of_SALT, seems forever ago when "create protection" got invented! — xaosflux Talk 01:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- lol wow.
- If we go back and look at all the policies (and/or policy discussions) that you or I contributed to, I think we'll both start feeling old lol
- Incidentally, the whole time I was looking for which barnstar to give you, I had Johnny Cash singing I've Been Everywhere, going through my head. lol - jc37 01:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- I dont remember where, but I have seen CSCWEM's contribs several times. Given they had 100,000+ edits, and their last edit was in 2008, I think while they were active they must be one of the editors with highest edit count. —usernamekiran (talk) 23:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
A bowl of strawberries for you!
| It was rude of me to start talking of sundae ingredients and not offer you some. I'm still grateful each day for the unsaveable sandbox js you gave me. It's saved me from indiscretion sooo many times. Thank you! Cabayi (talk) 06:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
| The Original Barnstar | |
| Thank you closing my EFN request. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
| The Special Barnstar | |
| Just wanted to pop by and again say thank you for your help, knowledge and expertise here, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Wikipedia would truly be lost without people such as yourself and I will forever be grateful for the work you do and for the help you give to myself and others here.
You've gone above and beyond today and I simply cannot thank you enough! Thanks again Xaosflux!, Take care and stay safe, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 17:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC) |
Some falafel for you!
| Thank-you for your help. The Admin stat page had been confusing me - and it makes sense now that I realise it's not a Bot (I am actually having felafel tomorrow night in Melbourne Australia - there are a choice of 5 within a Km) Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 12:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
- @Wakelamp: Yum! I took a browse around and found this bot maintained page: Wikipedia:List of administrators/Active, you may be able to use the history on that page to see the number of "active admins" historically; it may use a different definition of "active". — xaosflux Talk 13:18, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
| The Working Man's Barnstar | |
| It occurred to me yesterday that you are a (perhaps the?) primary maintainer of a staggering number of the project's core technical and administrative processes—and have been for as long as I can remember. Frankly, I find the amount of work you do daunting. Thanks for everything you do to ensure that the rest of us can do what we do! —Compassionate727 (T·C) 01:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC) |
Precious anniversary
| Eight years! |
|---|
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
| The Special Barnstar | |
| Just a gesture of appreciation to thank the people who make this site going. Your tireless contributions will never be forgotten. :-) Wikipedian10282 (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC) |
Tech News: 2022-46
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- At Wikidata, an interwiki link can now point to a redirect page if certain conditions are met. This new feature is called sitelinks to redirects. It is needed when one wiki uses one page to cover multiple concepts but another wiki uses more pages to cover the same concepts. Your feedback on the talkpage of the new proposed guideline is welcome. [22]
- The www.wikinews.org, www.wikiversity.org, and www.wikivoyage.org portal pages now use an automated update system. [23]
Changes later this week
- There will be a new link to directly "Edit template data" on Template pages. [24]
Future changes
- Starting in January 2023, Community Tech will be running the Community Wishlist Survey (CWS) every two years. This means that in 2024, there will be no new proposals or voting.
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math rendering in dark mode
Hi, I am using the latest version of the Wikipedia app with an android mobile phone. The problem is recurrent in most pages that use mathematical content, whenever the option 'display =block' of the math tag is used; also the expressions that use the tag 'equation' are badly handled, but this tag is less used in wp articles; hope this helps, Altasperlas (talk) 17:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Replied at VPT. — xaosflux Talk 18:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
DB1729 watchlist
Hi Xaosflux. First I owe you a HUGE Thank You! for all your help with my watchlist. I was starting to get a little frustrated and I hope that did not come across as me being frustrated with you. I was trying to explain my rationale and evidence for why I believed it was categorization edits that was flooding my WL and causing all the problems. Turns out, that is precisely what it was. "Categorization changes" is a filter setting that was set to show categorization changes either by default or it was something I selected myself when I first setup my watchlist three years ago. Just now, by X'ing out that filter option, it ignored any categorization changes and instantly my watchlist returned to normal function!
I suppose the only problem that might remain is what if actually do want to see categorization changes without breaking my watchlist? But never mind that. I am happy I got my watchlist working normally and that I know now what was causing the problem this whole time. Mystery solved!
Thanks so much once again:) --DB1729talk 01:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- @DB1729 glad to hear it is working better for you now, didn't have a chance to get back to you there yet! It can be hard to help people in this area, because there are many many ways to change the watchlist display. I use the very-old style one on my usual account (Use non-JavaScript interface), I know it misses out on some of the fancier features, but it "just works" for my daily use. If you haven't lately, you may want to make a backup of your watchlist, go to Special:EditWatchlist/raw , copy all the text of the pages, and save it on your computer as a file. That way, if things get really messed up you can reset all your preferences, reset your watchlist and reload it from your saved list. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 01:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea. I saved it as suggested. Thanks:) DB1729talk 04:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Don't worry
Please unblock me in Meta-Wiki,I got your change to cannot edit own talk page ,In block log i soon this 13:58, 18 November 2022 Xaosflux talk contribs changed block settings for Mhab Zdan1 talk contribs with an expiration time of infinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (repeated unconstructive unblock requests) Mhab Zdan1 (talk) 14:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- You block there stands, as you are being disruptive. If you want to appeal in 6 months, you may ask once on another project (such as here), do not otherwise follow admins around to other projects about it. — xaosflux Talk 14:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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-- Colin°Talk 15:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Replied via wikimail. — xaosflux Talk 21:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-47
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Recent changes
- The display of non-free media in the search bar and for article thumbnails in Special:Search has been deactivated. Further details are in T320661.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
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Move to Draft:Sari Katha Article in Mainspace.
Sir, I request to you that I informed you that move to draft article on mainspace.it is ready for mainspace.Thanks you. Golmala (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I haven't worked on that article. — xaosflux Talk 16:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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- A new preference, “Enable limited width mode”, has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also available as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. It allows for increasing the width of the page for logged-out and logged-in users. [26]
Changes later this week
- Mathematical formulas shown in SVG image format will no longer have PNG fall-backs for browsers that don't support them. This is part of work to modernise the generation system. Showing only PNG versions was the default option until in February 2018. [27][28][29]
- On some wikis that use flagged revisions, a new checkbox will be added to Special:Contributions that enables you to see only the pending changes by a user. [30]
Future changes
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question regarding revdel
Hello. If you perform revdel, is that page added to your watchlist automatically by default? —usernamekiran (talk) 22:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran it shouldn't be. This is a little bit of a hard thing to test, because (a) it can only be done by admins, and (b) by the time an admin becomes an admin, they generally are far from using "default" settings. I did a quick test of make a page, revdel a version - it did not WL it for me, and it did not even have an option to WL it if I wanted to. — xaosflux Talk 23:50, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- yes, I tried it again on an non-watchlisted page, it wasn't added to the watchlist. A few days ago, I had rev-del'ed from two pages, which later showed up as temporarily watchlisted. I might have added them already. Sorry for the inconvenience
—usernamekiran (talk) 00:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- yes, I tried it again on an non-watchlisted page, it wasn't added to the watchlist. A few days ago, I had rev-del'ed from two pages, which later showed up as temporarily watchlisted. I might have added them already. Sorry for the inconvenience
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- @Main focus talk that seems fine. It will be up to them now. — xaosflux Talk 10:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux thank you so much for directing me.
- The request was successful, and I am back into it.
- It's the same acc I am replying right now.
- Thank you once again!
- Tumbuka Arch★★★ 19:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Tumbuka Arch good news! Be sure to keep your scratch codes safe, if you are ever in a situation where you may have to use them:
- STOP EVERYTHING
- DONT PROCEED UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO RECOVER
- USE 1 TO LOGON
- USE 1 TO DISABLE 2FA
- You could also consider adding additional information that could be used to help identify you to developers/staff such as publishing a committed identity or a cryptographic public key, such as a OpenPGP one. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 19:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux Thanks for the advice.
- Actually, I have kept the codes safe.
- I am looking forward to add that commited Identity right now.
- Thanking you for the good advice in the first place.
- Thank you once again.
- Thank you so much.
- Tumbuka Arch★★★ 19:34, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Tumbuka Arch good news! Be sure to keep your scratch codes safe, if you are ever in a situation where you may have to use them:
Administrators' newsletter – December 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2022).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- Consensus has been found in an RfC to automatically place RfAs on hold after one week.
- The article creation at scale RfC has been closed.
- An RfC on the banners for the December 2022 fundraising campaign has been closed.
Technical news
- A new preference named "Enable limited width mode" has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also shown as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. When disabled it removes the whitespace added by Vector 2022 on the left and right of the page content. Disabling this preference has the same effect as enabling the wide-vector-2022 gadget. (T319449)
Arbitration
- Eligible users are invited to vote on candidates for the Arbitration Committee until 23:59 December 12, 2022 (UTC). Candidate statements can be seen here.
- The proposed decision for the 2021-22 review of the discretionary sanctions system is open.
- The arbitration case Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block has been closed.
- The arbitration case Stephen has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 1 December 2022.
- A motion has modified the procedures for contacting an admin facing Level 2 desysop.
Miscellaneous
- Tech tip: A single IPv6 connection usually has access to a "subnet" of 18 quintillion IPs. Add
/64to the end of an IP in Special:Contributions to see all of a subnet's edits, and consider blocking the whole subnet rather than an IP that may change within a minute.
Meta Mass Message
Hello, I am currently trying to help Windblown29 with sending a mass message, but just so I don't get things wrong I was wondering if Special:MassMessage has the same interface on meta as it does here? Thanks, Terasail[✉️] 12:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Terasail yes, but there are special considerations on how a message and list must be formated if you are going to send it as a global MMS. See meta:MassMessage#Global_message_delivery. — xaosflux Talk 16:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ah I see, thanks for this. I was trying to explain the basics of mms from my experience and how they should appy for it, (they applied here when they wanted it on meta) I gave some links but missed that one so I just added it. Thanks, Terasail[✉️] 20:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Zero!
Regarding this comment: zero, or zero factorial (that is, one)? ;-) isaacl (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Isaacl well, I didn't use " " ;) — xaosflux Talk 22:05, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Just wondering…
…what upstream changes could replace the Synchbot process? –xenotalk 00:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Xeno from a technical perspective, this could be an extension. Operationally, such an extension could be used by stewards. Process-wise, some global policy to support it could be put in place (it has a fairly weak original historical support, but that has been strengthened in process by no one complaining about it). Currently, this is a house of cards built on pathoschild wanting to keep doing it for the most part. — xaosflux Talk 01:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. Gotcha. Do you know if there's already a phab? –xenotalk 02:28, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Xeno, no it was brought up a couple of times (such as here and here) but never went anywhere. I think one reason is that there really isn't policy to support it (e.g. stewards are not suppose to act when local sysops are present) and it exists in a murky global IAR realm. — xaosflux Talk 04:09, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. Gotcha. Do you know if there's already a phab? –xenotalk 02:28, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Minor ce
Just a heads up, I edited your message at WP:VPT (Special:Diff/1125575324). I assume this is what you meant but since you wrote it and I didn't I thought you should know I changed it. Terasail[✉️] 19:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Terasail thank you, was just going back to fix that and EC'd you! — xaosflux Talk 19:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Terasail wait, no. I am specifically trying to say that we, the editors here on enwiki, can NOT change that ourselves.. — xaosflux Talk 19:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah. My mistake, I saw the "can do anything about" and thought: "no we can't". Will make sure to double read next time. Terasail[✉️] 19:19, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Terasail wait, no. I am specifically trying to say that we, the editors here on enwiki, can NOT change that ourselves.. — xaosflux Talk 19:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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stupid question
Hi. I know this is a stupid question, but given complexities of policy, and odd circumstances: what would have happened if Fribbler had first made 100ish edits till 15 Dec, and made the re-sysop request after 100 edits? Or what if they make 100 edits in next two weeks, and make the request again? I didn't want to clutter BN with hypotheticals hence asking here. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran right now the only hold up I see is the "return to activity as an editor" convincing part. If they actually did return to editing, that should overcome that hurdle. The new 2023 policy doesn't prevent someone who was removed under criteria 2 from getting restored at BN. (If those edits were gamed, I wouldn't be convinced though). Also, there isn't a looming deadline, they could do that up until they hit the 5 year rule. — xaosflux Talk 16:08, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- yes. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Unable to remove ArbCom Elections automated message despite having a template
Hello there. For the past two years, I kept getting an automated message to vote in the yearly ArbCom election despite having the "NoACEMM" template on my talk page. I noticed that the message sent was listed under your name using the list called Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022/Coordination/MM/05. I'll like to know if there's something wrong with the placement of the template on my page or if there's some weird oversight on why I kept getting the automated message. If you can help, that'll be greatly appreciated. The Gamer 91 (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Replied on your talk. — xaosflux Talk 22:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
You are amazing
I just looked at the history of Candidates/Guide, and it struck me just how much work you do behind the scenes to make Wikipedia happen. So, take this:
| All Around Amazing Barnstar | ||
| For being quietly amazing. SilkTork (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)) |
Pronunciation
Hi xaosflux - I was communicating with another editor, and your name came up in reference to something we wouldn't need to do because you'd done it. However, this was overshadowed by a far more crucial issue: that we had each been confidently sure we knew how to pronounce your name since we'd been editing Wikipedia, and our two ways were different. So, tl;dr: how do you pronounce your username? Nosebagbear (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nosebagbear I think this is the right markup: /ˈzeɪ.as.flʌks/. I'm not super picky since I rarely hear it aloud! — xaosflux Talk 23:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- (c.f. testwiki:User talk:Xaosflux/phonos). — xaosflux Talk 23:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't suspect three syllables. It was always just two in my head. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @SmokeyJoe think back in the day I derived it from the words "chaos" and "flux", and may have been inspired by the animated series Æon Flux. I've been called "Zous" by some. — xaosflux Talk 01:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it, Joe. As a WP:Talk page stalker here, I thought it was just using the "X" for a Greek Chi and have always pronounced it as "Chaos Flux" in my head. TIL. VanIsaac, GHTV contWpWS 01:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- (That was my method, too, @Vanisaac!) :) Nosebagbear (talk) 10:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once we get the phonos extension installed, maybe we can make a new "hear my username" userbox! — xaosflux Talk 11:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- (That was my method, too, @Vanisaac!) :) Nosebagbear (talk) 10:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't suspect three syllables. It was always just two in my head. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- (c.f. testwiki:User talk:Xaosflux/phonos). — xaosflux Talk 23:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
8TV (Malaysian TV network) needs to be protected from unregistered users
Hello there. I wanted to tell and concern about this. 8TV (Malaysian TV network) is suffering from vandalism and needs to be protected from the unregistered users because of the false information/gibberish into pages. There's no news about ceasing it's operation and it is proven to be false or just fake news. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, don't forget about 8FM, it is also suffered from vandalism before I undo it. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Third one: List of programmes broadcast by 8TV (Malaysian TV network) were also got hit, I trying to stop the vandalism but the unregistered users won't stop spreading fake news. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @GlorysiaMelodyYT Hello, to request a page be protected please post at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 11:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Third one: List of programmes broadcast by 8TV (Malaysian TV network) were also got hit, I trying to stop the vandalism but the unregistered users won't stop spreading fake news. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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- An A/B test has begun at 15 Wikipedias for DiscussionTools on mobile. Half of the editors on the mobile web site will have access to the Reply tool and other features. [34]
- The character
=cannot be used in new usernames, to make usernames work better with templates. Existing usernames are not affected. [35]
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Events
- The fourth edition of the Coolest Tool Award will happen online on Friday 16 December 2022 at 17:00 UTC! The event will be live-streamed on YouTube in the MediaWiki channel and added to Commons afterwards.
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What do you mean by that? As far as I can tell only interface admins have the right to implement my request because it requires editing CSS in someone else ("User:UBX")'s userspace, which uses the editusercss right, which per Special:ListGroupRights only iadmins have. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Pppery yes, the target of that probably should have been the userpage, not the template - it was showing up on the wrong report, looks like the entire thing has been speedily deleted now though so nothing to do. — xaosflux Talk 17:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 9 January 2023.
Recent changes
- On a user's contributions page, you can filter it for edits with a tag like 'reverted'. Now, you can also filter for all edits that are not tagged like that. This was part of a Community Wishlist 2022 request. [37]
Problems
- Last week, all wikis had no edit access for 9 minutes. This was caused by a database problem. [40]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week.
- The word "Reply" is very short in some languages, such as Arabic ("ردّ"). This makes the Discussion tools button on talk pages difficult to use. An arrow icon will be added to those languages. This will only be visible to editors who have the Beta Feature turned on. [41] [42]
Future changes
- Edits can be automatically "tagged" by the system software or the Edit filter configuration system. Those tags link to a help page about the tags. Soon they will also link to Recent Changes to let you see other edits tagged this way. This was a Community Wishlist 2022 request. [43]
- The Trust & Safety tools team have shared new plans for building the Private Incident Reporting System. The system will make it easier for editors to ask for help if they are harassed or abused.
- Realtime Preview for Wikitext is coming out of beta as an enabled feature for every user of the 2010 Wikitext editor in the week of January 9, 2023. It will be available to use via the toolbar in the 2010 Wikitext editor. The feature was the 4th most popular wish of the Community Wishlist Survey 2021.
Events
- You can now register for the Wikimedia Hackathon 2023, taking place on May 19–21 in Athens, Greece. You can also apply for a scholarship until January 14th.
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2FA security key
Hi - do you think this would be useful for my Google authenticator? Just in case? Don't want to loose access![44] Thanks. Doug Weller talk 15:55, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- I have two Yubikey 5's I use. -- Avi (talk) 16:11, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Avraham any idea what the difference is between the cheaper one that I linked and the one that you have? Thanks Doug Weller talk 16:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- See https://www.reddit.com/r/yubikey/comments/adzfqb/yubco_security_key_nfc_vs_yubikey_5_nfc/. The 5 has more methods. You could put GPG keys on it, for example. Or you could use the YubiAuth App with the key for TOTP (like Authy or Google Authenticator). -- Avi (talk) 11:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Avraham any idea what the difference is between the cheaper one that I linked and the one that you have? Thanks Doug Weller talk 16:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller I don't recommend it here. From what I see that would mean you'd convert your 2FA from TOTP to WebAuthn; WMF has even less support for WebAuthn than for it's almost non-existent TOTP support system. There is currently no self-service recovery for WebAuthn failures. I use TOTP, and set it up on 2 devices, that way if one device fails I still have it on the other. The easiest way to do this is to register them both at the same time (turn off TOTP and set it up again). Additionally, ensuring that you safely store your scratch codes for TOTP is important. If your authentication device fails it can take up to 2 scratch codes to turn off 2FA until you can re-enroll. I have used some of the hardware keys with other systems, but they are ones where I register my real-world identity to them and have various built-in recovery mechanisms. — xaosflux Talk 17:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- I have two keys that I use for my FIDO2, including Wikipedia, and they work fine. But I have two in case I lose one. That's the downside of the increased security of a physical device: no virtual back door. I consider that a feature, not a bug. -- Avi (talk) 11:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I have my codes. It’s on my android phone so unless that dies before I replace it I can transfer it to a new phone. Doug Weller talk 17:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller if you have a secure computer, you could also install a software TOTP client. It won't help in the "your computer was taken over" type of attack, but still provides multifactor security from external cracking. — xaosflux Talk 17:13, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- good idea I can add Google Authenticatior to Chrome.. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 17:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller if you have a secure computer, you could also install a software TOTP client. It won't help in the "your computer was taken over" type of attack, but still provides multifactor security from external cracking. — xaosflux Talk 17:13, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
2FA - 2 devices, 2 different OSs
Hello, Xaosflux! I wanted to write a question here but I got a notice saying it didn't get many watchers so I thought about asking you personally given that you had answered quite some questions there. (The question above me is also about 2FA. Strange coincidence...)
I use a PC and a laptop to edit Wikipedia. The PC uses Windows and the laptop is on Linux. I want to activate the 2 factor authorization but I'm not sure as to what would be the best way to act on this case. Do I really have to get 2 different groups of scratch codes by 2 different programs? Is there "a better way"? Sorry if I'm not clear. I'm a bit confused by the whole 2FA thing. — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi 2FA isn't related to the devices that you use to log on. 2FA (sticking to the TOTP model here) requires an authenticator, which is software that can take an initial secret seed, the time of day, and output a short-lived code. Most people that use our TOTP use a smartphone app as their authenticator. When you activate 2FA it will give you your initial registration seed, at that point you can use that seed to register multiple authentication devices (I use a software application on a trusted computer, and a software application on a smartphone). You shouldn't store that seed as it could be used to impersonate you. During registration you will get a set of scratch codes. These are attached to your account, not to your authenticator or any computer you log on to. They should be used only in the even of a broken authenticator, and only to unenroll from 2FA until you can set it up again. Does that answer your questions? — xaosflux Talk 14:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- To be 100% clear, you can never have "2 different groups of scratch codes"; the only way to get scratch codes is to activate 2FA, and the only way to get another set is to deactivate it (invalidating the old scratch codes) and reactivate it. There is not currently support to register multiple TOTP instances with different seeds and scratches. — xaosflux Talk 14:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
During registration you will get a set of scratch codes. These are attached to your account, not to your authenticator or any computer you log on to.
Aha! Okay then. That was my dilemma. Thank you! :)) — Klein Muçi (talk) 16:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- To be 100% clear, you can never have "2 different groups of scratch codes"; the only way to get scratch codes is to activate 2FA, and the only way to get another set is to deactivate it (invalidating the old scratch codes) and reactivate it. There is not currently support to register multiple TOTP instances with different seeds and scratches. — xaosflux Talk 14:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Seasons Greetings
| Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Donner60 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)}} |
Merry Christmas!
Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!
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Весела Коледа!
Hello, Xaosflux! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 19:15, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Xaosflux!
Xaosflux,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 21:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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Happy New Year!
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)