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ESTIEM

Also, wie ich sehe sprichst Du deutsch...

Du hast unseren Eintrag drastisch gekürzt ohne das großartig zu begründen..."irrelvant information"...ein bißchen genauer sollte es schon sein, wenn man an konstruktiven Beiträgen interessiert ist, was Du ja als Wikianer oder wie ihr euch nennt wohl bist.

Das mit den external links im Artikel selber hab ich nicht gewusst. Deswegen hingegen gleich die ganze Sektion "local groups" zu löschen kommt einer Entfernung aller Bundesligavereine im Eintrag "bundesliga" gleich.

Gleiches gilt für "activities and projects"...du hast einfach wahllos gelöscht was dir nicht gefällt...sehr professionell...zzz..wer kann bitte besser beurteilen was "irrelevant" ist, Du oder wir?!

Allerdings hab ich gesehen, dass Du Dich mit dem Titel "Deletionist" brüstest...daher hoffe ich, dass Du uns nur auf einige Unstimmigkeiten in unserem Artikel mit den Wikiregularien aufmerksam machen wolltest, indem Du einfach mal barbarisch alles kreuz und quer geschlagen hast.

Bevor ich mir jedoch die Arbeit mache, wieder alles mühsam einzufügen was der Gnom verzapft hat, würde ich Dich darum bitten ein wenig Stellung zu der Aussage "irrelevant information" zu beziehen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estiemer (talk • contribs) 15:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hallo, ich bin de:Benutzer:Gnom, ich habe auch den deutschen Artikel zusammengestrichen. Die Liste der local groups halte ich für den Artikel nicht relevant. Artikel sollten nach Möglichkeit keine Listen enthalten, Wikipedia ist keine Datenbank (ist eine der Grundsätze hier, siehe de:WP:WWNI). Außerdem habe ich die activities und projects entfernt, weil es unreferenzierte Eigenwerbung (de:WP:Selbstdarstellung) in einem absolut unenzyklopädischen Stil war (böse ausgedrückt: "BWLer-Sprache"). Dass ich Deletionist bin, hat mit meinem Edit wenig zu tun, es besagt nur, dass für mich Qualität vor Quantität geht, im Interesse unserer armen Leser. Ja, ich glaube, dass Nichtmitglieder die Relevanz hier besser beurteilen können als "Insider". Die bloße Innenstruktur ist für Außenstehende völlig egal. Ich halte die momentane Artikelversion natürlich immer noch für verbesserungswürdig. Du würdest dem Artikel sehr viel Gutes tun, wenn du zum Beispiel die momentan vorhandene Information referenzieren würdest. Auch am Stil kann man noch feilen, der gehört objektiviert. Ich hoffe, ich konnte mein Vorgehen nachvollziehbar machen. Du solltest die von mir entfernten Artikelteile nicht wieder einstellen. Zum Schluss: Bitte unterschreibe deine Diskussionsbeiträge mit vier Tilden. Gruß aus Rom, --Gnom (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Danke für Deine Antwort! Ich kann viele Deiner Aussagen nicht nachvollziehen bzw. stimmte nicht mit ihnen überein.

1. Wer glaubst DU eigentlich wer DU bist darüber urteilen zu können was relevant und nicht relevant ist? Du hast keinen blassen Schimmer von ESTIEM und nimmst dir raus nach gutdünken Inhalte für relevant und irrelevant zu erklären. Das geht mal gar nicht und ist völlig fehl am Platz für jmd. der bei Wikipedia mitarbeitet. Nach DEINEM Grundsatz ist 90% von Wikipedia irrelevante Informationen! Wikipedia ist doch gerade so beliebt, weil hier mehr als bl0ß eine Dreizeiler steht. Ja, manchmal ist es eine Menge an Informationen, aber genau die will man haben wen man sich mit dem Thema auseinander setzt! Und wenn man an weniger interessiert ist, ließt man nur die Einleitung. Dafür ist sie da!

2. "Außerdem habe ich die activities und projects entfernt, weil es unreferenzierte Eigenwerbung (de:WP:Selbstdarstellung) in einem absolut unenzyklopädischen Stil war (böse ausgedrückt: "BWLer-Sprache")." Sorry, aber Du hast genau das entfernt was ESTIEM ausmacht...unsere Projekte und Aktivitäten. Soviel zu Deiner Beurteilung was relevant ist und was nicht!Ich weiß zwar nicht was Du mit "BWLer-Sprache" meinst und schon gar nicht was daran "böse" sein soll, aber ich entnahme daraus, dass Du irgendeine Abneigung dagegen hast.

3. Du vermisst an einigen Stellen Objektivität und beklagst zuviel Eigenwerbung. Ok, darüber kann man reden. Schließlich haben wir den Artikel geschrieben und halten große Stücke auf das was wir machen. Aber gleiches erwarten wir auch von Dir! Keine subjektiven Beurteilungen mehr was relevant und was nicht relevant ist! Das ist Heuchlerei!

4."Die bloße Innenstruktur ist für Außenstehende völlig egal"...erstes ist sie das nicht. Darum geh ich auf Wikipedia, weil ich weil Informationen sammeln möchte über die Thematik. Zweitens sind Local Groups, Projects und Acitivities nicht unsere "bloße Innenstruktur" sondern das ist ESTIEM! Das sind wir, das machen wir darum gehts! Natürlich will ich was über die "Innenstruktur" wissen, wenn ich mich über eine Organisation informiere bei Wikipedia. Wenn es nach Dir ginge, würde jeder Wikieintrag ja nur aus ein paar Zeilen stehen und Wikipedia dramatisch an Qualität verlieren.

5. Nochmal zu den Local Groups...Du schreibst, Wikipedia soll keine Listen enthalten...sorry, aber diese "Listen" sind a) überall zu finden b)du kommst einfach nicht drum herum. Ich hatte das Beispiel mit der Bundesliga...dazu hast Du Dich leider nicht geäußert. Gleiches gilt für viels mehr wie z.B. OECD, Greenpeace, NFL...überall sind Aufzählungen zu finden, weil es absolut sinnig und von Nöten ist wenn man das entsprechende Thema erklären möchten. Weiterhin...schau Dir andere Studentenorganisationen an wie z.B. BEST oder Aegee...was Du bei uns bemängelst, scheint Dir bei denen völlig legitim zu sein.

Fazit: Wir sind bereit an unserer Objektivität zu arbeiten und lassen uns auch gerne auf konstruktive Kritik ein. Aber das solltest DU auch!

-- Estiemer (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Erst mal das inhaltliche: Ich habe deinen Revert wieder rueckgaengig gemacht und dieses Mal eine Menge mehr stehen lassen. Hier die Begruendung im Einzelnen:

Mission: Das ist inhaltsleere und unenzyklopaedische Selbstdarstellung und musste deswegen weg.

Activities: Der Abschnitt hat ziemlich gut ueberlebt. Ich musste nur ein bisschen Gefasel von wegen Internationalitaet und Leaders of tomorrow entfernen. Ein besonders krasses Beispiel: Through the Summer Academy project, ESTIEM recognises the importance of ethical leadership, and takes responsibility for providing this knowledge to its student members as well as students from all over the world. In this way ESTIEM wants to contribute to their growth as “future leaders of Europe”. WTF? Bitte bei den Bildern keine Groessen angeben, das ist leserbevormundend. Bitte keine Weblinks im Artikeltext. Ein einziger Link auf eure Website am Schluss reicht.

Structure: Hier musste ich wieder eine Menge entfernen. Was es fuer einzelne Committees gibt und was die einzelnen Vice Presidents machen, muss wirklich niemand wissen. Ausserdem: Was ist der Unterschied zwischen der General Assembly und dem Council?

IEM Concept: Der Absatz sagt nichts ueber Estiem aus, sondern ueber euren Studiengang. Dafuer gibt es aber einen separaten Artikel. Deswegen musste der Absatz weg.

History: Der Absatz musste nach oben, von wegen Chronologie und so.

Alumni: Ich habe nicht den Eindruck, dass ihr schon sehr viele Alumni habt oder die besonders aktiv sind. Umso inhaltleerer war auch der Absatz, deswegen musste er weg.

Partners: Wikipedia ist keine Plattform fuer Werbetexter. Beiderseitige benefits, insight, contact - nee, nee, nee. Kannst du ein paar Unternehmen nennen?

Local Goups: Nein, ein Link auf eure Website reich voellig. Wikipedia ist keine Datenbank, besonders keine Linksammlung.

Jetzt zum formalen:

Du hast einen sinnvollen und begruendeten Edit rueckgaengig gemacht. Im wiederholten Falle ist das Vandalismus und kann zur Sperrung deines Accounts oder des Artikels fuehren. Ausserdem hast du dich absolut im Ton vergriffen. Auch dafuer kannst du gesperrt werden. Pass also auf. Ich bitte dich, meine Aenderung nicht rueckgaengig zu machen, sondern erst einmal hier oder auf der Diskussionsseite des Artikels zu diskutieren und dann von der momentanen Version aus weiterzuarbeiten. Deine Version ist auf jeden Fall absolut inakzeptabel.

Du hast, um abzuschliessen, ein paar Dinge ueber Wikipedia nicht verstanden. Es ist eines der Grundprinzipien, dass hier nicht Angela Merkel entscheiden darf, was ueber sie geschrieben wird, sondern andere. Das ist bei ESTIEM genauso. Ihr muesst euch von einem neutralen Standpunkt aus beschreiben lassen. Ich empfehle erneut die Lektuere der folgenden Seiten: de:Wikipedia:Was Wikipedia nicht ist, de:Wikipedia:Wie schreibe ich gute Artikel, de:Wikipedia:Selbstdarstellung, de:Wikipedia:Neutraler Standpunkt, de:Wikipedia:Keine persönlichen Angriffe, de:Wikipedia:Weblinks. Andernfalls solltest du hier nicht mitarbeiten, denn die Kenntnis dieser Seiten ist esenziell. Wenn du magst, kriegst du auch die englischen Correspondants.

--Gnom (talk) 12:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, hier, passt perfekt: Your article is written like an advertisement. --Gnom (talk) 12:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey,

also...vorne weg: ich freue mich, dass Du ein bißchen mehr Einsicht gezeigt hast und dem Artikel ein wenig von dem zurückgegeben hast, was er verdient. Auch kann ich einige Deiner Einwände verstehen wie z.B. Through the Summer Academy project, ESTIEM recognises the importance of ethical leadership, and takes responsibility for providing this knowledge to its student members as well as students from all over the world. In this way ESTIEM wants to contribute to their growth as “future leaders of Europe”....haha...sehr lustig mit dem "future leaders of Europe". Ich habe nicht den ganzen Artikel alleine verfasst...das muss ich überflogen haben. "WTF?!" trifft es schon ganz gut. ;-)

Hier meine Statements zu Deinen Änderungen:

:Partners: Wikipedia ist keine Plattform fuer Werbetexter. Beiderseitige benefits, insight, contact - nee, nee, nee. Kannst du ein paar Unternehmen nennen?

--> Hallo?!Da steht einfach nur, dass wir Partner haben und aus welchen Gründen. Von kontaktieren ist da mal gar nicht die Rede.

:Local Goups: Nein, ein Link auf eure Website reich voellig. Wikipedia ist keine Datenbank, besonders keine Linksammlung.

--> Hast Du mir letztes Mal schon gesagt...beantwortet aber immer noch warum es alle anderen dürfen wie nur einige meiner Beispiele es zeigen.

:Alumni: Ich habe nicht den Eindruck, dass ihr schon sehr viele Alumni habt oder die besonders aktiv sind. Umso inhaltleerer war auch der Absatz, deswegen musste er weg.

--> Genaus das meine ich... "DU" hast nicht den Eindruck. Aber was weißt Du bitte von ESTIEM?! Sicher sind die Alumnis nicht so aktiv wie die Aktiven, deshalb sind sie ja Alumnis!Aber es gibt sie und sie haben regelmäßige Events. Und genau das möchten wir festhalten.

:IEM Concept: Der Absatz sagt nichts ueber Estiem aus, sondern ueber euren Studiengang. Dafuer gibt es aber einen separaten Artikel. Deswegen musste der Absatz weg.

--> ok! Kann man verlinken.

:Structure: Hier musste ich wieder eine Menge entfernen. Was es fuer einzelne Committees gibt und was die einzelnen Vice Presidents machen, muss wirklich niemand wissen. Ausserdem: Was ist der Unterschied zwischen der General Assembly und dem Council?

--> Warum muss das bitte niemand wissen? Gerade die Aufgaben des Boards sollten klar sein für Außenstehende. Andere Organisationen machen das genauso. Bitte geh auf meinen Punkt 5 ein vom letzten Kommentar. Hier hab ich wieder das Gefühl, dass es nur Dir nicht wichtig erscheint. AGAIN: Dann überflieg es doch einfach! Niemand muss den ganzen Artikel lesen, aber man sollte ihm die Möglichkeit geben viel wichtige Informationen zu erfahren.

:Mission: Das ist inhaltsleere und unenzyklopaedische Selbstdarstellung und musste deswegen weg.

--> Inhaltsleer??!! Darum wurde ESTIEM gegründet! Das ist unsere Mission, deshalb machen wir das was wir tun. Vielleicht stehts an falscher Stelle im Artikel aber es ist wesentlich.

Deine Kritik zu den Bildergrößern habe ich nicht verstanden...das hat nix mit Leserbevormundung zu tun! Sondern mirt Lesefreundlichkeit. Ich habe eine Größe gewählt, welche sich gut in den Text einschmiegt.

ALLERDINGS...und genau aus diesem Grund habe ich den Artikel wieder online gestellt und bin deutlicher in meiner Tonart geworden (ich hab mich keineswegs vergriffen). Du schreibst auf meiner "talk-Seite", dass Du Du ziemlich sauer warst, dass ich Deine Änderung einfach wieder rückgängig gemacht habe. Ja, jetzt weißt Du mal wie das ist, wenn seine Arbeit einfach mal völlig zusammengestrichen wird. Mir gings genauso als Du alles zusammengekürzt hattest! Vielleicht sollte man erstmal diskutieren...das gitl genauso für Dich.

Weiterhin bist Du zum wiederholten mal nicht auf meine Punkte des letzten Kommentars eingegangen, sondern hast einfach wieder eigenmächtig rumgekürzt und den Artikel so zusammengestutzt wie es Dir passt! Wie soll ich denn mit Dir diskutieren, wenn Du nicht auf meine Aussagen eingehst?! Du änderst stattdessen immer alles und verweist auf diverse Wikiregularien etc. Besonders zu den Punkten 1,4 und 5 würde ich gerne mal eine Aussage von Dir bekommen.

Ich sehe unseren Artikel nicht als das Eigentum von ESTIEM an. Aber genauso wenig solltest Du Dich als Chef aufführen und so rigoros alles zusammenstreichen. Sicher, Du bist Administrator und sollst darauf achten, dass die Wikiregeln eingehalten werden. Aber bitte nicht mit dem Knüppel eines Autokraten, sondern in Teamarbeit. Denn so machen Open Source Projekte keinen Spass und verlieren ihren Sinn.

Estiemer (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Wie immer zuerst das inhaltliche, davon haben wir mehr.

• Partners: Ich habe den Abschnitt deswegen entfernt, weil er wie Werbung klingt. Wenn man ihn hinterfragt, bleibt nichts anderes übrig als die Aussage "Estiem hat auch Partner", wie du es selbst formuliert hast. Dann sollte aber nur das dastehen. Der Rest ist viel zu unspezifisch für eine Enzyklopädie.
• Local Groups: Nur, weil in anderen Artikeln die Regeln nicht beachtet werden, bekommt Estiem noch lange keinen Freibrief. Nenne mir bitte noch einmal die anderen Negativbeispiele, dann kommen die auch in den Genuss einer Radikalkur. (Auf Kindergartendeutsch: "Kevin hat aber auch von der Torte gegessen!" zieht nicht. Oder, wie das Bundesverfassungsgericht so schön formuliert: "Keine Gleichheit im Unrecht.")
• Alumni: Nein, ich weiß nichts von Estiem. Das heißt aber noch lange nicht, dass ich den Artikel nicht an redaktionelle Standards anpassen darf. Wenn eure Alumni aktiv sind, schreib genau hin wie und wo und wer. Das was da stand, sah inhaltsleer aus und gab nur vage die Ziele der Alumniarbeit an.
• Structure: "Die Aufgaben des Boards müssen klar sein für Außenstehende?" Naja, das Board leitet halt die Organisation, wie jedes andere Board der Welt auch. Hier hast du etwas falsch verstanden: Auch für Wikipedia gilt "In der Kürze liegt die Würze", im Interesse unserer armen Leser. Zu deinem Punkt 5 wie oben schon: Keine Gleichheit im Unrecht, wenn du magst, kannst du mir die Sünder nennen, aber auch sonst geht es denen irgendwann genauso, wenn sich mal jemand der Artikel annimmt. Es bleibt noch zu klären, was der Unterschied zwischen General Assembly und Council ist.
• Mission: Entschuldige, wenn ich mich unklar ausgedrückt habe. Ich mache dieses Mal einfach ein Beispiel:

a) falsch:

ESTIEM is the only Europe-wide organisation of students of Industrial Engineering and Management (IEM). Its main goal is establishing and fostering interrelations among IEM students of across Europe and supporting them in their personal and professional development. This is achieved by organising a diverse portfolio of activities and events, and by providing a platform for communication and intercultural exchange.

b) richtig:

The organisation describes its goals as "[to establish and foster] interrelations among IEM students of (sic!) across Europe and [to support] them in their personal and professional development." Estiem wants to achieve this by organising student activities and events and by "providing a platform for communication and intercultural exchange".

Dann müsste da noch eine Quelle für die Zitate dahinter. Der neutrale Standpunkt ist Wikipedia heilig, bitte beachte das.

• Bildgrößen: Also, ich habe eine Bildschirmauflösung von 1280x800 (Breitformat), und du? Kennst du sehbehinderte Wikipedia-Benutzer? Leute, die mit ihrem Handy den Artikel lesen wollen? Um all diese Leute zufrieden stellen zu können, sollte das Bildformat nicht festgelegt sein.

Zum formalen:

• Bitte nimm zur Kenntnis, dass GROSSBUCHSTABEN als Anschreien aufgefasst wird. Wenn du etwas hervorheben möchtest, kannst du es <u>unterstreichen</u> oder ''kursiv setzen''.
• Häufiges Schreiben in Großbuchstaben und Aussagen wie "Wer glaubst DU eigentlich wer DU bist", "Du hast keinen blassen Schimmer" werden in der Wikipedia als Persönliche Angriffe angesehen. Wenn du das nicht so siehst, darfst du das gern, dann musst du Wikipedia aber leider verlassen.
• Nein, ich bin kein Administrator, sondern ein ganz normaler Benutzer wie du. Nur habe ich schon ein bisschen mehr Erfahrung mit der Sache.
• Nochmal zu den von dir wiederholten Punkten 1, 4 und 5:

1) Es ist ein Prinzip von Wikipedia, dass hier prinzipiell nur Leute über Themen schreiben sollen, die nicht in einem Interessenkonflikt mit dem Thema stehen, so wie das bei dir der Fall ist. Das führt dazu, dass die Autoren vielleicht weniger berufen sind, aber es geht uns nun einmal um den Neutralen Standpunkt. Es ist weiterhin ein Prinzip von Wikipedia, dass hier redaktionelle Arbeit von Leuten durchgeführt wird, die gar keine Ahnung von dem betreffenden Thema haben. So gibt es Benutzer wie mich, die Artikel auf Rechtschreibfehler, fehlende Quellen oder eben wie hier unenzyklopädischen Stil überprüfen ("Your article is written like an advertisement"). Wenn die Fehler so krass sind wie hier, dann bleibt einem nichts anderes übrig, als zu löschen: Besser kein Artikel als ein sehr schlechter Artikel, besser ein kurzer Artikel als ein unreferenzierter. Ist ja nicht schlimm, man kann Löschungen ja über die Versionsgeschichte mit ein paar Klicks wieder herstellen. Ich denke, ich habe jetzt ausführlich genug klar gemacht, warum ein Estiem-Laie wie ich hier "einfach so" die Axt ansetzen durfte. Ich habe ja auch schon ausführlich über unsere Grundsätze zum Thema Selbstdarstellung geschrieben. Hast du die von mir verlinkten Seiten eigentlich inzwischen gelesen? Fragen wie deine tauchen nämlich so häufig auf, dass wir da inzwischen perfekt ausgeklügelte und jeden zufrieden stellende Infoseiten zu haben ;-)

4) Innenstruktur: Schwierige Sache. Ich habe immer noch den Eindruck, dass hier jemand loswerden will, was für ein tolles Amt er innehat. Das ist aber nicht der Grund für meine Löschung. Eure Struktur ist ziemlich logisch. Dass es einen Pressezuständigen gibt, liegt nahe. Dass man deswegen nicht auch noch hinschreiben muss, dass der sich um die Presse kümmert, ist ja irgendwie auch logisch, oder? Wie gesagt ist die momentane Version ja auch noch ein klein wenig ausbaufähig, ich habe dir ja oben auch dazu eine Frage gestellt.

5) Local Groups: Dass anderswo bei Studentenorganisationen regelwidrige Linklisten bestehen, beschert Estiem keine Ausnahme (s.o.). Was aber ginge, wäre eine Liste der Local Groups als übersichtliche Tabelle (ohne Links). Wenn es übersichtlich gemacht ist und zusätzliche Informationen enthält (Gründung, Mitgliedszahl, hat der Standort schon einmal eines eurer internationalen Seminare abgehalten etc.), würde ich das ausdrücklich begrüßen. Wenn du magst, kann ich sie für dich basteln, Tabellen sind für Anfänger nicht so einfach.

Ich möchte nicht als Chef auftreten und nicht den Knüppel schwingen und bitte um Entschuldigung, wenn das der Fall war. Bei krassen Regelverstößen wird aber halt einfach mal gelöscht, sonst würde die Qualität einfach zu sehr leiden. Man kann ja alles wieder herstellen, it's a wiki! (geflügeltes Wort unter Wikipedianern). Ich hoffe weiterhin, wie ich letztes Mal schon schrieb, deine Fragen beantwortet zu haben, löcher mich sonst einfach weiter.

Ein letztes Wort: Jetzt werfe mir mal einer vor, ich sei nicht geduldig. Dass der Artikel von mir jetzt in einer längeren Version besteht als bei meinem ersten Radikal-Edit, ist kein Eingestehen von Fehlern meinerseits (wer tut das gern?), sondern Ergebnis der Tatsache, dass ich mir den Artikel mal insgesamt vorgenommen und umgeschrieben habe, anstatt regelwidriges zu löschen, was völlig legitim war. Insofern: Bitteschön.

Uff.

Gruß aus Italien, --Gnom (talk) 17:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Villa Romana del Casale

Yes. Excellent. Just what was needed. --Wetman (talk) 23:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gnom (talk) 17:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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Red Link Recovery

Hello. As a German-speaking WikiGnome, I'd like to solicit your help in testing a new tool. For a few years now, the Red Link Recovery Project has been using the Red Link Recovery Live tool to track down and fix unnecessarily red links in articles. Recently, the tool has been expanded to work on non-English Wikipedias. A small set of suggested fixes for red-links on the German-language Wikipedia have been prepared and I'm hoping to interest some German-language speakers (such as yourself) to work through them.

If you are interested, please visit http://toolserver.org/~tb/RLRL/quick.php?lang=de. Each time you refresh the page you'll be presented with three new suggested fixes. I'll be happy to answer any questions on the tools talk page. - TB (talk) 17:44, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Could you check my latest edits on de: and tell me wether I'm doing it right? Is this project endorsed by the German-speaking community? --Gnom (talk) 18:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Those edits look fine to me. Red links can be fixed in one of several ways, depending on the 'AUTOFIX' link you use - hovering your mouse over them should give more details. While some Wikipedias have an equivalent of the English-language Red Link Recovery Project, I'm not aware of one over at de:. In general however, their editing policies are similar to en.wikipedia and fr.wikipedia, both of which are okay with this tool. If there's an appropriate forum on de: in which it'd be appropriate to seek community approval, I'd be very happy for it to be discussed there. - TB (talk) 19:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The Young Turks

In response to this addition, it is not an issue of wording, and I'm afraid your addition does not resolve the policy concerns I have raised. There is a discussion on the talk page on this at Talk:The Young Turks (talk show)#the name is like hitler youth for armenian people, so please feel free to participate. CT Cooper · talk 20:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	for your hard work on the Wikivoyage logo! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 06:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh wow, thank you! --Gnom (talk) 17:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi User:Jimfbleak and User:C1776M - I hope it is okay to start a discussion here... Could you please restore the page to User:Gnom/GetYourGuide so I can take a second look at it? I meant to be extra careful not to write an article that is "exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic". And maybe could you give me examples of where I was not neutral enough? Thanks a bunch, --Gnom (talk) 14:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@Gnom:, my first question would be are you affiliated with the group in any way, or just really fond of them? If you're not connected to them in any way and you believe they may be notable enough for an article according to WP:N and WP:ORG then perhaps it'd be best for Jimfbleak to userfy it for you so you can work on it. If they do it, I'd be happy to provide a second set of eyes before you move it back to Article space in the future. Thanks! C1776M^Talk 14:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@C1776M: I honestly have no idea what you found promotional about the article so I'd be very happy about any help! Notability should also not be a problem looking at how much press coverage I put in the references. Thanks, --Gnom (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@Gnom: I don't remember the specific language that triggered the decision for me. I know I initially considered PROPD or AfD but then found a couple of things that led me to CSD, but if it is userfied I'd be happy to give you feedback. I'd like to re-pose my question of WP:COI, which is usually a factor in WP:NOTAD situations. Thanks! C1776M^Talk 14:52, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@C1776M: Oh, sorry. The founder of the company is a friend of a friend of a friend of mine and asked me if I could write the article. I saw that their subsidiary (Gidsy, deleted today after my request) had an article with pretty much the same content as my draft so I was confident there wouldn't be any trouble. And obviously, I am not getting anything for this, I never even met the guy. --Gnom (talk) 15:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@Gnome: I wouldn't have a problem collaborating with you on it in that case. Just have to convince @Jimfbleak: to userfy it for you. C1776M^Talk 15:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I picked up this discussion, the main problem was the description of the services being a quote from the company. I've seen worse, and the company may be notable. Two of the refs are to blogs, which aren't really independent verifiable sources. I'll sandbox the text shortly Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Jimfbleak! Please note that the services are not (only) described in the quote but in the first sentence and in the language following the quote. Apart from that, I find an (appropriately labelled) self-description a rather typical part of an article about a company... Also, I think I can be forgiven the blog references since they link to newspaper blogs which can be acceptable per WP:RS. What do you think, C1776M? --Gnom (talk) 17:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I've started noting issues I see with it on the articles talk page. Will continue there. C1776M^Talk 17:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Network of the Presidents of the Supreme Judicial Courts of the European Union

Hi, I'm Mz7. Gnom, thanks for creating Network of the Presidents of the Supreme Judicial Courts of the European Union! Great start!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. The next step should be adding additional references to reliable sources that verify the content in the article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Mz7 (talk) 04:34, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mz7, Thank you for taking the time to review the article. I am afraid I am not aware of any secondary sources that could be used to reference in the article. Kind regards, --Gnom (talk) 20:05, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, that is unfortunate. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in secondary sources in order to show the notability of the subject. If no secondary sources exist, perhaps it would be best to merge the article into another one. Mz7 (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mz7, a closer look at the page you linked to tells me that significant coverage in secondary sources is not required for a subject to be notable. Also, I do not know what other article this one could be merged into. --Gnom (talk) 11:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Significant coverage in reliable sources (which should be mostly secondary sources) is the general test on Wikipedia for determining whether a subject is suitable for a standalone article. WP:WHYN does a good job of explaining why these are requirements. I would note that an organization could also be notable if it satisfies the specific notability guideline for organizations, but note that that article also states: No organization is considered notable except to the extent that independent sources demonstrate that it has been noticed by people outside of the organization. Mz7 (talk) 02:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mz7, I am sorry this is a little confusing for me because notability is defined a little differently in my home wiki, German Wikipedia. Is your position that the NotPotSJCotEU is not relevant? Or am I missing your point? The Network was in the news when it criticized the removal from office of thousands of judges in Turkey earlier this year. Here's such a news report, although in German: [1]. Thanks, --Gnom (talk) 21:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I can understand how this is confusing. Basically, we want to see whether reliable sources have covered a subject, and we use that to determine whether a subject is worth covering in Wikipedia. If the Network was in the news, then those news sources are exactly the sources that we could add to the article to improve it and show that the subject is notable. They don't have to be in English; they could definitely be in German. Mz7 (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, the news articles only mention the NotPot... in a couple of phrases, so they offer no value to the reader and contain no additional information. I just added two more interesting books to the German article, maybe they should also go into the English article. Kind regards, --Gnom (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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If I am able to give it, I will of course mention it. Daniel Case (talk) 12:01, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

OK. Sorry for the delay in responding.

It wound up becoming an actual presentation rather than a lightning talk. Given in a room without a screen, using a borrowed laptop and everyone leaning in to look at it.

I did mention your page, even inline in the presentation. I got some interesting feedback on my ideas about things we can do with our computers and devices while editing that I hadn't thought of: use the lower-power skins and settings, from Mattflaschen-WMF who works as a software engineer for the Foundation (the only Foundation person at that presentation, although Katherine herself was there the whole day ... I guess if I'd been more on the ball I would have raised the subject with her (I know you would have) and tried to get her to look at it somehow.

Generally the people who did attend were receptive. There was some discussion of my suggestion that, if this is something you have any control over, you should try to make sure your household electric where you live comes from renewables as much as possible. I mentioned that one of my goals, to which my wife is receptive, is to get solar on our roof in the next year or so. Someone pointed out though that solar cell manufacturing does have environmental costs of its own, but Matt pointed out that you can't put a wind turbine on your roof.

Would you be interested in seeing my (not perfect, but better than it should have been for something put together the night before) presentation? Daniel Case (talk) 04:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Daniel Case, that sounds really cool. It is great to see that renewable energy is becoming a thing in the U.S. as well. I will definitely get in touch with Matt; and had already talked with Katherine about the project in the past, but it is hard to have the Foundation prioritize something that is not directly connected to Free Knowledge – which is why I think that the "Show your support" section on the project page on Meta is important. Also, I'd be curious to see your slides. My address is lukas.mezger at wikipedia.de. Thanks again, --Gnom (talk) 09:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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If you could either cite or delete the statements in the first and last paragraphs in the 'life' section, I'll move the draft back to mainspace. DS (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for the snippets from Hessischer Rundfunk. Wagner Parsifal and Bizet L'Arlesienne seems to be corrupted. Grimes2 (talk) 22:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, Gnom I found your article modRNA quite interesting and co-nominated for DYK. See Template:Did you know nominations/Nucleoside-modified messenger RNA. Thank you — Amkgp 💬 04:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Amkgp, thank you again. I have two questions: 1. Why did you mention the Elsa-Brita Nordlund nomination, was that an error? 2. Why did you mark a COI? I have no relation to the article subject other than that my dad wrote the original German-language version of the article. Thanks, --Gnom (talk) 10:35, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Gnom, (1) Its' not an error. Actually If an editor completes more than 5 DYK nomination, he/she has to review a DYK. See Review requirement (QPQ) at WP:DYKRULES. So it is the place to mention that I have reviewed it against this nomination. (2) You mentioned/declared that dad wrote the original German-language version so I added {{Connected contributor}} so that there is no doubts from the reviewer. Also it make the article clean from any neutrality point of views etc. — Amkgp 💬 10:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you provide an image for modRNA like for e.g. File:MRNA-interaction.png from mRNA so that it can also be used in both DYK and in the article. I have also requested help regarding image from Evolution and evolvability — Amkgp 💬 14:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hi @Bri, this was actually already published a while ago: Drone photography: New possibilities and new challenges. Therefore, please feel free to delete the outdated draft. Thank you, Gnom (talk) 04:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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Not at TFA (that I can think of). Try asking for help at WT:DYK; that should work. - Dank (push to talk) 18:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, Do not list authors from other countries in 50 years pma in this table. It doesn't make sense, as otherwise all authors from all the world who died in 1973 should be listed. Yann (talk) 09:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Yann: But that is not how copyright law works. For example, the works of Nobel laureate Pearl S. Buck, who died in 1973, will enter the Public Domain within New Zealand on 1 January 2024. The "country" column in the tables on this page is highly misleading and should probably be removed. Gnom (talk) 09:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

HI, See my answer in Talk:2024 in public domain. Thanks, Yann (talk) 10:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)