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I have a disk full of information on the following Bulgar monarchs. Some of it is more reliable than others, however:

Kardarm (Nationalist, unreliable) Krum (researched in diffrent texts, reliable) Omortag (researched in different texts, mostly reliable) Presian (nationalist, unreliable) Boris I (fully reliable. Good authorities and a decent variety of them) Vladimir (as above, part of the Boris I story) Simeon I (Fairly reliable. Famous Tsar, a lot of info) Peter I (only one text - moderately reliable) Boris II (as above - PS: Roman was a castrated exile, never a Tsar - he renounced his untenable claims to Samuel) Samuel (fully reliable. A ton of various translated Byzantine and English texts) Gabriel Radomir and Ivan Alexander - connected to Samuel (should be reliable) Peter II and Ivan Asen II (Unreliable) Kaloyan (V. reliable. Most different accounts concur on his reign) Ivan Asen II (as above) Ivaljo (nationalist, unreliable) Teodor Svetoslav (as above) Michael Sisman (fairly reliable - about 3 varying texts) Ivan Alexander (reliable) Ivan Sisman (as above) Ivan Stratsimir (as above)

I won't commit them to mail, unless requested to do so. If you want them, please open spaces on the list for me to edit

Simon

The Bulgar monarchs can be changed into links by putting them in between [[]]'s. For instance, Boris I of Bulgaria. kt2 18:52 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Daccos (talk) 15:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)==List of Bulgarian tsars cut from Tsar article ==Reply

Please check if this article misses something from the list below. After checkin is done, please remove the list (or the verified part), so that other editors will not be bothered (but leave this notice, for history). Mikkalai 18:30, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Tsar was the title of the rulers of Bulgaria in 893 - 1014, 1085 - 1396 and 1908 - 1946

Dulo clan

House of Comitopuli (976-1018)

House of Asen (the Asenites) (1186-1277, 1279-1280) 

    In the Asenites period the country (region) was called "the Roumanian-Bulgarian empire" and had expanded it's territory to the north of Danube till the Carpathian mountains .Anyway the name of "Kaloian" is typically roumanian (Caloian-in roumanian)and the complete name is Ionut (little John- in english)Caloian


House of Terter (1280-1292, 1300-1323)


House of Shishman (1323-1396)


House of Battenberg (1879-1886)

House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (1887-1946)

I think I saw something absolutely ridiculous. When clicking on Chaka the hyperlink lead me to Shaka Zulu :):):) ha ha ha. I think that this Chaka mentioned here is a Mongol, a potential pretender for the throne of Toktu, rather than a zulu. I don`t know how to delete this link but it is a shame for wikipaedi to have such silly mistakes :):)

Has anyone ever seen any evidences for the existence of the title Khan??? I'll be more than happy to see any. --Shisharki 05:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Who is a tsar and who is a khan, a prince, a king?

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There is a great confusion with the titles of Bulgarian rulers, who were khans, princes, kings and tsars (emperors). The confusion comes from the Bulgarian tradition, including in folklore, to call any monarch a tsar. The title of tsar comes from the name of Caesar and means "emperor". The first Bulgarian (self-proclaimed) tsar is Simeon I the Great, while the first tsar recognized internationally (that is, by Byzantium) as such (emperor) is Peter I, Simeon's son. The rulers of the Third Bulgarian state were tsars in name only, and were internationally recognized just as kings. They are Ferdinand, Boris III and Simeon II of the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Prince Alexander Battenberg, mentioned here as "tsar", was just a prince. Bulgaria was a tributary principality of the Ottoman Empire in the period 1878/9-1908. 85.11.148.52 08:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

There never were khans, princes or kings of Bulgaria. Khan was obviously invented in 20 century; no ruler has been a prince, neither a king. The Bulgarian word for king is KRAL (КРАЛ) The title used before Boris I is actually unknown. In the Nominalia the tile used is KNAZ. This suspiciously resembles the believed to be slavic KNJAZ. Boris I and his elder son Vladimir were both KNJAZes. After that Simeon I pronounced himself a Tsar (Цар).

The title “tsar” is not equal to emperor. It is higher then king but it is lower then emperor. In the beginning equal to king was the title knjaz. Battenberg was Knjaz not a Prince. In the beginning knjaz was the offical title of Ferdinand until the independence - 6.09.1908. Since then he became Tsar.

The nominalia use the Slavic "knjaz". There's some evidence that suggests that "khan" was used, as described in the Bulgars article. For tsar/emperor, see that article; it meant "emperor" in the middle ages and "king" in the 20the century. Knjaz is practically the same as prince. --91.148.159.4 00:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
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Ajjar

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What i about Ajjar of Bulgaria? He is mentioned as the successor of Tervel in the navbox at the bototom of the article, but I can not find his name nor here nor in the Template about Bulgarian monarchs. What was his rule? May he be listed here as a disputed khan or like a khan? Waht is about him? --Ksanyi (talk) 09:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

As far as I'm aware with Ajjar he's more a myth than a real ruler. The only source supporting his presence is "Bahši Iman, Džagfar Tarihy, vol. III, Orenburg 1997.". I don't think that he should be included in the navbox, since his presence is a minority view point, not widely accepted. --StanProg (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Constantine II of Bulgaria

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Why isn't Constantine II of Bulgaria on the list? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 00:36, 24 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Malasian names

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Guys//i've found one thing..all bulgar khans names is a usual names in Malasia/Indonesia ..facebook will help u //exmpl https://www.facebook.com/irnik.heriawati — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.238.127.38 (talk) 02:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

:))) it's a pretty much colorful subject. bulgarian empire had tatar rulers. slavic rulers. armenian rulers. and even german rulers. that was pretty much the same with the population, which they try to present as monolithic.89.205.59.148 (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
not Tatar, they came to Europe much later (13th-14th century) and were of a different branch of Turkic people. Bulgars were more or less close to Huns and entered Europe with a much earlier migration, in the 4th-5th century 89.25.21.237 (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
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