Talk:KNX (AM)

Correct call sign

The correct callsign of the station is "KNX". (There are no "foo-AM" callsigns and never have been.) This article should be renamed accordingly. 18.26.0.18 23:14, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Editorial Bias

Last summer I read the KNX article here on Wikipedia and was disturbed to read a section criticizing programming changes at the station over the past five years attacking its vice president of AM programming in a very immature and unprofessional matter. Such whining and venting belongs on a traditional blog, not here. It left me thinking that it was inserted by a disgruntled former employee. That being said, I was pleased to see that the so called "KNX Lite" section has long since been removed, and the article I retrieved (09 June 2008 at 3:55PM Pacific time) is much better.

Unfortunately, the nature of Wikipedia--its very strength, ironically--allows users to vandalize articles as easily as I am adding to this discussion. Fortunately, there are enough registered editors and concerned users to weed out the bad stuff as quickly as it's added.

As a personal opinion, I have listened to KNX since I was a teenager and its programming changes are the reality of operating a commercial radio station in one of the world's most competitive and crowded markets.

--Richard Rodriguez, West Covina, California, USA 198.188.174.156 (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It's sad that a page documenting the history of KNX should become an editorial soap box for those opposed to the station's current management and programming philosophy. Items documenting pro-news changes at the station (extended coverage of key presidential news conferences, breaking format to cover significant breaking news) and management's resons for making changes, are being deleted in an apparent attempt to skew this Wikipedia entry.

Statements such as "But KNX is no longer a station you can depend on when you want to hear breaking news" is an opinion and not a statement of encyclopedic fact.

While it's perfectly legitimate to report the controversy surrounding recent programming changes and their effects on revenues and listenership, selective editing and deletions removing balanced coverage reflect badly on the authors (and indirectly, KNX's reputation as an unbiased news source).

--Michael Linder 17:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree. Michael Linder (despite being employed by KNX) has done an admirable job of expanding the article and adding balanced information regarding KNX's decline. He's not whitewashing information but is disclosing the reasons why people have left, while allowing adequate room to explain why the changes were made. (Hopefully, for your efforts, Mr. Linder, you won't turn into the next Ron Fineman.) Calwatch 04:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

mr calwatch -- please look at the way michael linder (who is a knx employee) initially wrote a press-release like entry. first of all, since he is an employee of the station, doesnt wikipedia have certain restrictions on his access to write this entry?

No. He has abided by WP:NPOV admirably in citing the fact that Gail Eichenthal left, etc. But he is putting balance by showing how KNX has tried to do extended news coverage: the Iraq-featured news period, for instance. Calwatch 06:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

i appreciate your reply -- but let's be honest -- saying that gail eichenthal "departed" is a p.r. style way to put it. he did not even suggest that she left in protest. really the linder p.r. piece was very misleading. he knows what is taking place there and chose to leave it out. why i wonder? if i had not changed it -- linder certainly would not have. i dont think it is admirable for linder to have written such an entry that ignores any of the problems knx is having. so i would not suggest what he did was "admirable"

i am not sure. BUT lets take a look to the unbalanced linder-written p.r. release. by the way LINDER DID NOT EVER MENTION KNX'S DECLINE!!!! take a look and compare. he never once mentions anything to suggest a decline in ratings. why is that?? anyway you take a look. thanks

Decline in ratings wasn't mentioned by Linder originally, but the last August 13 MichaelLinder revision kept in your ratings notes. But you deleted the commentary about expanded news coverage. Calwatch 06:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks again for taking time to reply. i will put some of that back in -- but some of that is misleading -- there are not 3 minute in depth segments every half hour. that is just wrong. again i wonder why, again, an employee of knx is trying to mislead readers. also his comments about the special reports and documentaries imply that hall has started that. if you know the history of knx that is not new at all. more than 90 per cent of what linder in this segment is STILL there. all that has been added is some balance which linder could have included originally but chose not too. This unsigned comment was posted by User:69.231.254.227 on 01:37, August 15, 2006

Regardless of how one feels about how KNX is being managed (or mismanaged, depending on your POV), there is no question that this article is currently loaded with POV and needs to be cleaned up in a big way. I urge interested writers to do so AND to provide verifiable references and citations for statements/facts included in the prose. Also, while I enjoy Michael Linder's work on KNX, the fact is, he IS an employee of KNX and, because of that, has a conflict of interest, regardless of whether or not it shows in the article. As such, perhaps he (and others involved should read WP:COI and make sure they're following Wikipedia's guidelines dealing with potential conflict of interest. The article also reads more like a promo for the station and its history and is not very encyclopedic at all (no offense intended). Thanks. Gmatsuda 20:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

New Millenium, New Location, New Talent

The long and colorful history of KNX continues to evolve in the wake of events triggered in 2003 when KNX made sweeping changes order to contemporize the 60's-vintage news format. Longtime Vice President and General Manager George Nicolaw, a community fixture who gave weekly editorials on the station, left KNX under less than cordial circumstances. Programming duties for KNX and KFWB (which now share office space and are commonly owned by CBS Radio) were assumed by David G. Hall, credited with the ratings success of KFI. KRTH's Pat Duffy became Vice President and General Manager for KNX and KFWB.

Station jingles were dropped along with the decades-old slogan, "All you need to know." A new morning team was assembled: anchors Vicky Moore from KFI and Dave Williams from KFWB, sportscaster Randy Kerdoon from KTTV and former afternoon anchor Dick Helton in a new role as Senior Political Reporter. An earlier sportscaster, Chuck Madden left the station soon after Williams and Moore made their debuts. Prior to this, the award-winning morning news team of Linda Nunez and Tom Haule anchored the 5am to 10am news for nearly a decade.

With the breakup of afternoon anchor team Dick Helton and Dave Zorn (who has since retired to Arizona due to health issues) a new afternoon lineup has emerged: former traffic reporter Jim Thornton now co-anchors with Vicki Cox (formerly KFWB) with long-time sportscaster Steve Grad. Frank Mottek provides financial updates.

KNX dropped its long-running Drama Hour in 2003, but on January 1, 2004 added two weekend talk shows which Hall brought with him from KFI: Computer News with Jeff Levy and the return of Food News with Melinda Lee.

CBS network daytime newscasts were truncated to three-minute versions while three-minute in-depth segments were added every half-hour. The Sunday evening simulcast of CBS' 60 Minutes continues, but the Sunday news program Meet The Press and NFL football was discontinued.

Longtime news reporters Gail Eichenthal and Alex Sullivan departed while former morning co-anchor Tom Haule became the station's operations manager. Reporter-commentator Michael Ambrosini departed in July, 2006 after decades on-air. Overnight anchor Carlos Gaivar, who replaced Beach Rogers as the primary overnight voice in 1998, is also no longer with KNX, having departed in 2005.

New voices were added including Ron Kilgore (NBC News Radio, KFWB), Charles Feldman (CNN), Aiden Pickering, (BBC, KTTV), Brooke Binkowski (CNN Radio) and Michael Linder (KTLA, America's Most Wanted). New anchors included Kim Marriner (KCBS), Bob Sirkin (CBS Radio Network) and Colin Fluxman (KKGO, KCSN).

On August 12, 2005, at 11:06pm, following an hour-long special celebrating the station's history, KNX ceased broadcasting from its studios at CBS Columbia Square on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood after 67 years in favor of new facilities a few miles away on the Miracle Mile in Los Angeles. Dave Zorn was the last person to broadcast on KNX from Columbia Square studios. For the first time in over 80 years, the station was no longer "The Voice of Hollywood."

In 2006, the station dedicated its mid-day programming to business and financial news.Money 101, a three-hour block of personal finance and consumer news debuted in the 9am-noon slot, anchored by KNX financial editor Bob McCormick. Jim Cramer fills the noon hour with syndicated talk show Real Money (executive-produced by Hall) focusing on personal investments. Frank Mottek, renown for his reporting of the tragic 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, became anchor of the KNX Business Hour from 1-2pm with news cut-ins by former morning co-anchor Linda Nuñez. Mottek also anchors, with Vicki Cox, 2-3pm news coverage.

Many mainstay voices remain: Reporter/anchors Diane Thompson and Chris Stanley, reporters Luis Torres, Vytas Safronikas and Todd Leitz. Tom Hatten, Jim Svejda, Lisa Karlin and Leonard Maltin on the entertainment beat; commentaries by Charles Osgood, Kent Shocknek and Dave Ross; environmental features Pulse of the Planet, Stardate and Earth News; Michael Josephson on ethics and career advice by Dr. Lois Frankel.

Steve Grad is the Sports Director of KNX, joining the station in 1993. Randy Kerdoon, Paul Olden, Pat Haslam and Chris Madsen also provides sports updates. One-time KLOS sports reporter Charleye Wright joined KNX in 1995 (replacing Pete Arbogast), and remained with KNX until his death in 1998.

Programming Strategy

The station's focus since 2003 has been on perspective and in-depth journalism. Programmer David G. Hall's two-station strategy packs KFWB with as many news items as possible, using KNX to probe news and issues in greater analytical detail.

MY GOODNESS IT LOOKS LIKE KNX IS DOING BETTER THAN EVER. NO CONTROVERSY -- JUST A STATION THAT IS SAILING HAPPILY ALONG.

this is suppose to be factual isnt it? doesnt linder mention and controversy about the changes? NO. do linder discuss ratings being the lowest in many years? NO. does linder talk about people quitting or being fired? NO.

Because we have no reliable source that people were quit or fired. Please read WP:RS. All we know is that they left. While I agree MichaelLinder is writing from a more positive perspective than you are, I disagree that he is biased. Calwatch 06:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

THIS IS ALMOST A PRESS RELEASE.

and this is written by a journalist!!! how can a journalist ignore such issues as lower ratings, a shift away from all-news, people quitting and being fired? i hope his reports on the air dont lack such vital information.

here is the same portion with some balance added.

Major Changes: New Location, Lower Ratings

In 2003, KNX made sweeping changes by forcing out longtime Vice President and General Manager George Nicolaw, a community fixture who gave weekly editorials on the station. Programming duties for KNX and KFWB (which now share office space and are commonly owned by CBS Radio) were assumed by David G. Hall, who was previously in charge of KFI during some of its most successful years. KRTH's Pat Duffy became Vice President and General Manager for KNX and KFWB. Results have been mixed at best with KNX currently suffering from its lowest ratings in years.

Hall shook things up almost from the time of his arrival. Station jingles were dropped along with the decades-old popular slogan, "All you need to know." A new morning team was assembled: anchors Vicky Moore from KFI and Dave Williams from KFWB, sportscaster Randy Kerdoon from KTTV and former afternoon anchor Dick Helton in a new role as Senior Political Reporter. An earlier sportscaster, Chuck Madden was fired soon after Williams and Moore made their debuts. Prior to this, the award-winning morning news team of Linda Nunez and Tom Haule anchored the 5am to 10am news for nearly a decade. Hall's changes to the morning lineup received mixed reviews. Some did not like the "happy talk" style employed by his new anchors and felt the new anchors did not have enough of a serious news approach. The all-important ratings for the morning news dropped significantly.

Hall got rid of the afternoon anchor team of Dick Helton and Dave Zorn (who has since retired to Arizona due to health issues). In their place he named a new afternoon lineup — former traffic reporter Jim Thornton and Gail Eichenthal. Thornton's appointment was very controversial since he had never anchored news on a major station. Many felt he was not qualfied to be suddenly placed in the high profile afternoon achor slot in the second largest market in the United States. Eichenthal quit the station in protest. Hall replaced Eichenthal by bringing over Vicki Cox from his other station, KFWB. Afternoon news ratings have also significantly declined.

Hall also dropped the long tradition of sports at 15 and 45 past the hour, which had attracted a strong following. He never explained the reason for this change.

Another controversial Hall change was his dropping of the long-running KNX Drama Hour in 2003. Hall said the change was made because he realized during the 2003 Southern California fires how important it was for KNX to provide "news around the clock." Later programming decisions would cast doubts on Hall's explanation. On January 1, 2004 Hall added two weekend talk shows from his former station, KFI: Computer News with Jeff Levy and the return of Food News with Melinda Lee. Food News had run for years on weekdays at 10am on KNX, but was dropped in 1997.

In 2006, Hall made the most radical changes to KNX since it switched to all-news. He dropped the news format from 9am until noon and substituted a money and consumer-news talk show with Bob McCormick, Money 101. From noon to 1pm, Hall inserted a taped syndicated talk show Real Money (which coincidently is produced by Hall) from Westwood One featuring Jim Cramer from CNBC. During the McCormick program are news inserts at the top and bottom of the hour. But since the Kramer show is syndicated, KNX listeners hear only a very brief headline summmary during that program.

Some critics have complained that KNX is no longer a station you can depend on when you want to hear breaking news.

During the outbreak of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon war, KNX chose not to air CBS News updates which the station had prominently featured in the past during breaking news events. (During the early weeks of the U.S.-Iraq war, KNX aired CBS News updates several times each hour.)

Another example of how KNX had drastically changed occurred on August 10, 2006 after the British government uncovered a terrorist plot to blow up trans-Atlantic aircraft. Previously, KNX would have provided "wall-to-wall" news coverage. Instead, KNX continued with its money and consumer programming with Bob McCormick, which focused mostly on how airline stocks would be affected. No CBS updates, a KNX staple in previous year, were offered, as in the past.

Longtime City Hall Bureau reporter Alex Sullivan departed while former morning co-anchor Tom Haule, after being ousted from his moring co-anchor slot, became the station's operations manager. Reporter Michael Ambrosini, whom Hall unexpectedly had taken off the street to record several taped commentaries each day, departed in July, 2006, when Hall decided to return Ambrosini to street reporting. Overnight anchor Carlos Gaivar, who replaced Beach Rogers as the station's primary overnight voice in 1998, was let go in 2005.

As part of Hall's remaking of KNX, new voices were added including Ron Kilgore (NBC News Radio, KFWB), Charles Feldman (CNN), Aiden Pickering, (BBC, KTTV), Brooke Binkowski (CNN Radio) and Michael Linder (KTLA, America's Most Wanted). New anchors included Kim Marriner (KCBS), Bob Sirkin (CBS Radio Network) and Colin Fluxman (KKGO, KCSN).

Many mainstay voices from the pre-David G. Hall days remain: Reporter/anchors Linda Nunez, Diane Thompson and Chris Stanley, reporters Luis Torres, Vytas Safronikas and Todd Leitz. Tom Hatten, Jim Svejda, Lisa Karlin and Leonard Maltin on the entertainment beat; commentaries by Charles Osgood, Kent Shocknek and Dave Ross; environmental features Pulse of the Planet, Stardate and Earth News; and Michael Josephson on ethics.

Steve Grad is the Sports Director of KNX, joining the station in 1993. Randy Kerdoon, Paul Olden, Pat Haslam and Chris Madsen also provides sports updates. One-time KLOS sports reporter Charleye Wright joined KNX in 1995 (replacing Peter Arbogast), and remained with KNX until his death in 1998.

On August 12, 2005 moved its studios. KNX ceased broadcasting from its historic at CBS Columbia Square on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood after 67 years, moving to its new facilities a few miles away on the Miracle Mile in Los Angeles. Dave Zorn was the last person to broadcast on KNX from Columbia Square studios. For the first time in over 80 years, the station was no longer "The Voice of Hollywood."

Programming Strategy

Hall claims the station's focus since 2003 has been on perspective and in-depth journalism. Hall's two-station strategy is designed he says to pack KFWB with as many news items as possible, while he says he wants to use KNX to probe news and issues in greater analytical detail.

But the ratings for both stations since Hall took over have not improved.

much if not most of linder's p.r. release is still there. but balance has been added. this is now an entry, NOT just a p.r. release.

It may offer more balance, but it isn't much better because it too is loaded with POV and doesn't have a single, verifiable citation. Gmatsuda 11:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

History

The article reads like the station's history began in 2003. The station has been on the air since 1921! It has a rich history that should described.--Hillrhpc 14:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move to KNX (AM). —Nightstallion (?) 08:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Move from KNX (radio station) to KNX (AM) or KNX

Per WP:NC, North American broadcast stations should be disambiguated with (AM), (FM), or (TV). DHowell 01:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Alternatively, the article shoule be moved to just KNX. There doesn't even exist an article KNX (standard), the link on the disambiguation page points to Konnex, which redirects to European Installation Bus. I've put a disambiguation link on the top of this article. Please comment on whether this article should be moved to KNX (AM) or KNX below. My preference is for KNX. There are over 100 articles pointing to KNX as a radio station, and none pointing to KNX as a home automation standard. DHowell 01:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• The move really needs to go to KNX (AM) since there is an article for KNX-FM. Also KNX is the NYSE symbol for Knight Transportation Inc. which I'm suprised does not have an article. Vegaswikian 08:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Support move to KNX (AM); oppose choice of KNX. Radiojon says stations with no suffix licensed by FCC should use parentheses; whereas a hyphen indicates a station licensed by FCC with a suffix. Having no suffix in its article title of Wikipedia implies primary meaning; for example, the reason the article of London, England is at London is that it is the primary meaning of London; namely, the meaning that the unqualified word London commonly puts into people's minds. City names can deserve primary topic dis-ambiguation for reasons like this, but what reason is there for radio stations to use primary topic dis-ambiguation?? (Please put the answer on User talk:Radiojon.) (In addition, please make KNX (radio station) a dis-ambiguation page for KNX (AM) and KNX-FM. Georgia guy 17:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
  • How many people would enter KNX (radio station) when looking for KNX? I suspect not many so that article should be deleted. Vegaswikian 06:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Please note that radio station KNX-FM no longer exists. The info on the page was somewhat incorrect (it claimed that the call letters were "since reassigned" to the AM station, when the AM station existed decades before FM broadcasting even began). There is also more info about KNX-FM under it's current name, KCBS-FM, so I proposed a merge of KNX-FM. DHowell 22:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article needs a major clean-up/Improvement

I'm busy elsewhere on Wikipedia, but as a listener, I am quite disturbed at the major POV problems in this article as well as the complete lack of citations in the article. NOTHING in this article is verifiable. For example, the latest edit about Chris Stanley being involved in some kind of dispute has no citation attached to it. As such, even if true, it's still hearsay. This entire article is plagued with nothing but unverifiable claims because it totally lacks citations that can be verified. Gmatsuda 07:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I just re-read this article carefully and have pointed out unsourced statements in the hope that verifiable citations will be added per WP:CITE.

In terms of Wikipedia standards, this is a horrendous article. It contains a lot of information, but without a single, verifiable citation, nothing in this article can be trusted as being accurate. Even worse, it is so loaded with POV and was clearly written by a KNX insider who is disgrunted with the current management that it really isn't much more than a hack job attack. There is a considerable amount of inappropriate material as well. One example is where Chuck Rowe moved to (why is that relevant?). Another is mentioning the reason Chris Stanley left the station. Those kinds of statements are totally unencyclopedic and irrelevant in an encyclopedia that is supposed to be written in a neutral point of view. Clearly, the primary author has a major, blatant conflict of interest, which also violates Wikipedia policies.

This article needs to be torn apart and re-written, almost completely per Wikipedia's standards. Please see the Wikipedia Manual of Style, Verifiability, and citing sources for more information.

FYI: Other than being a listener, I have no connection to KNX or any who might work there. -- Gmatsuda 22:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this helps, but try LA Radio.com, some verifiabile info may be available. RobDon33 17:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Complete rewrite

If nobody has any objections, I would like to completely rewrite this article and convert the schedule to prose. I am aware that it has had a lot of issues as far as content but I believe, if I were to find adequate sources, we could include any and all information relating to KNX. Milonica (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Why?

Can someone tell me the significance of having a large amount of the article being dedicated to the people who work there? Is there significance to this or is it all done for fame? Milonica (talk) 05:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Who knows. But you offered to rewrite the article...have at it! :-) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol! I don't know where to start. I'd say they aren't very notable. If anyone doesn't have any objections, I'd like to at least cut a few of the names from the list. Some of it seems fishy. Milonica (talk) 08:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

PROD

I had PROD'ed this article for the reasons stated in the article. I'd much prefer that it be expanded within Wikpedia guidelines, but since it is apparent that there is no interest, this article fails WP:NOTE. If someone is seriously interested in improving and expanding this article, please feel free to delete the prod! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see notability

I fail to see the notability of the staff members of KNX. Nobody (at least me) cares about the staff. I'd rather hear about the station itself than the people working there. I am going to remove the staff section because I see it as the biggest waste of space in this article. If anyone has an objections, feel free to rewrite the staff section so that it is notable. Milonica (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The article looks better now, but to me, it still doesn't belong on Wikipedia in its current form. I would prefer that someone take the bull by the horns, so to speak (I would, but don't have the time or enough interest, for that matter...my strongest interests on Wikipedia lie elsewhere) and bring this article at least up to a point where it at least meets minimum notability standards. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 08:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I just stumbled on this after checking for edits to the KCBS article by a known vandal (added the location of the transmitter site while I was here) and while I can understand that the article might have needed some cleaning up, we're talking about a nearly ninety-year-old, 50kw clear channel radio station in the country's number two radio market which spent sixty-seven years in one of Hollywood's most historic locations. Notability? It's off the charts. The article is a bit stubbish, but there are certainly enough external references listed which establish notability and expansion shouldn't be a problem. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 05:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

heh...well, it's been "stubbish" for a long time...hope someone takes the bull by the horns, so to speak! :-) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint.  :)) Might have to when I get off of my self-imposed (but not terribly enforced) wikibreak. I believe that KNX was LA's first all-news station ahead of KFWB. Trouble is, KNX isn't all news 24/7 like KFWB or even KCBS San Francisco which comes in just fine in Southern California at night. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 19:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I was hoping the PROD would generate interest in this article...that was the real reason I did it. Nothing else worked! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

What I meant by notability was simply the staff members. The whole article is notable but not the staff members. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Milonica (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia's notability guideline, "notability" only applies to overall article topics, not individual content items within an article! Jeh (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Citations

I don't have a problem with the removal of the fact template from the article. However, justifying their removal by stating that the information is available just by listening to the station is not a valid reason. WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY indicate that anything presented as a fact must be verifiable and properly cited in the article. The fact that such information is broadcast on the station is totally irrelevant. Also, the few citations that are included are not properly formated. Please see Citation templates for more information on the corect syntax. Thanks! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 01:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant detail comparing "traffic on the fives" vs "traffic on the eights" vs. "traffic on the twos"

An entire paragraph was devoted to comparing/contrasting whether various stations have traffic on the 5s, 8s, or 2s.

This seems like irrelevant detail, so I removed it. Maybe this belongs in some "list of stations that do traffic multiple times per hour" or something, but not in a description of a specific station.

KNX's format can be compared to that of other CBS all-news stations. For example, WCBS and the other stations provides traffic and weather are together on the "eights" (:08, :18, :28, etc.). KNX and WINS do traffic every ten minutes "on the ones" (:01, :11, etc.) and weather every twenty minutes beginning at :12 past the hour, and KYW, who does "Traffic and transit on the twos" (:02, :12, etc.) every ten minutes and AccuWeather regional forecasts at :07, :14, :37, and :44 after every hour.

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Antennae section

I started out doing simple things here like fixing a ROS and ended up recasting the whole thing. I made only one substantive content change (described in the next paragraph); it was pretty much all just rearranging the existing text to establish a cohesive narrative.

One glitch, though. There was a single mention of a "394 foot antenna". Two other antenna lengths, 494 feet for the main and 365 for the backup, are mentioned prominently and these lengths do correspond with the "degrees" cited. So it was unclear to what "this 394 foot antenna" referred. I assumed it was a typo and was referring to the once-temporary, now-emergency antenna and changed it to 365.

The use of "degrees" for antennas is likely very unfamiliar to the general reader and should have an explanatory footnote. I would also like to find a "smoother" way of integrating the efficiency measurements, their comparisons with average and standards, etc., into the narrative.

Also re. "efficiency", these figures should really be called "efficacy". An "efficiency" figure should never have units (other than percentage) attached as it is a simple ratio between measurements of the same units, e.g. watts out vs. watts in; the units disappear and you're left with a decimal fraction or a percentage. "Efficacy" on the other hand is used ratios between different units, e.g. lumens out vs. watts in for a light bulb. "Efficiency" is commonly used in those situations but it isn't technically correct. Jeh (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE: I've made an attempt at the ideas mentioned above re. the electrical parameters, but I haven't touched the word "efficiency". Yet. :) Jeh (talk) 19:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

History of antenna location

The article does not give the date when the current antenna locations was adopted