Talk:Flag of Croatia

Flag of Croatia

Interpretations of the Colours One of interpretations of colours dating from late 19th century is Red Croatia, White Croatia, and Kingdom of Slavonia (blue). Red and White Croatia are Croatian states from early middle age, approximately in today's Dalmatia (Red) and central Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina (White).

And finally to mention an interpretation of colours of the Croatian flag made by Miroslav Krleza, a great national writer, saying that the colours represent the three symbols of Croatian history and people: blood of Croatian martyrs, Croatian peaceful lamb like nature, and Croatian devotion to God.

Flag of “Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia and Slavonia”

I’ve deleted the flag of the so-called “Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia and Slavonia inside Austria-Hungary” because checking informations written in other Wikipedia articles, I’ve seen that this so-called “Kingdom” — contrary to Croatian Republic of Yugoslavia and the Independent State of Croatia — never existed officially; from 1867 to 1918 Dalmatia was in the Austrian part of the Empire, and the most of the north and west of today’s Croatia (Croatia and Slavonia) was part of the Hungarian part of the Empire.

So, the deletion is based on a lack of evidences supporting this flag; anyway, possibly this flag “Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia and Slavonia” came from Pan-Slavic movements inside Austria-Hungary during the second half of 19th century. --MaGioZal 02:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the "Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia" existed as an autonomous unit of the Hungarian part of Austria-Hungary. It had "Dalmatia" only in the name, as a kind of "territorial aspiration" (Dalmatia itself was at the time indeed in the Austrian part of the monarchy and an autonomous unit as well). More on the flag on this page, under the heading "Triune Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia and Slavonia, 1867 - 1918" --Elephantus 20:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

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Flag of Missouri

It appears that Croats or Serbs founded Missouri. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 11:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Colour

Is the blue stripe of the national flag () really different to the blue of the civil and state ensign ()? Gugganij (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it is just a problem on the Commons. It is in the process of solving. See: commons:Image talk:Flag of Croatia.svg. -- Imbris (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Red, white, and blue

I just want to clear this up, and I'm hoping someone knows for sure: the Croatian colors, red white, and blue, are they for

• A) just a unique Croatian combination of the Pan-Slavic colors,
• B) are they a merge of the flags of the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg), and the Kingdom of Slavonia after the 1867 unification of the two,
• C) are they representing Croatia with the red and white, and Dalmatia with the blue.

--DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 18:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Red white blue was a flag of Ban Jelačić in 1848 for "Slavonia-Croatia-Dalmatia United Kingdom", since Medieval Croatian Kingdom had similar name in administration. So obviously both B) and C). Zenanarh (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but when was this combination of colors created? And was the blue intended as representative of Dalmatia or of Slavonia? If it was Dalmatia, where did the yellow go? :O

In 1848, in official usage ~15 years later. Yellow, well, those little rim tassels are yellow :) I don't know really. I have my theory about Dalmatian flag, I'm sure it's not correct, but I like idea: blue goes for the sea and the sky, yellow goes for brnistra :) Zenanarh (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the yellow is just for the gold lion heads ;) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 20:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Leopards exactly, not lions! Zenanarh (talk) 20:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Almost forgot it, it's not yellow, it should be yellow-orange, closer to gold. Zenanarh (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

3 golden heraldic leopards, which may be referred to as lions. ;)

But anyway, blue can't be for both Slavonia and Dalmatia, which one is it do you think? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 20:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget that the reason that so many flags look the goddamn same (red/white/blue bars or stripes) is because they were all based on the French flag, a hugely popular symbol of liberty. I think therein lies the answer. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but when I was but a wee boy, they told us a lot of different interpretations, basically the three above and the rather poetic Krleža interpretation... Maybe the guy back then just picked the only unused combination of the Pan-Slavic tricolor? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 21:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah well, I'm sure they're right. This is quite interesting on the subject [1]. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 21:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

There you got the answer. Concerning heraldic leopards it's not the same as lions. There were differencies in Medieval heraldry. Lions were reservated for the top authorities, like a ruler of an empire, then leopards were used by his vassals, like rulers of the vassal duchies or kingdoms. Administratively Dalmatian cities-communes were vassals of the Byzantine Emperors, so according to this authority level it was impossible to have lions in the coat of arms, even if the lions were not Byzantine symbol. Zenanarh (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Croatian flag was based solemnly on the heraldic colours of the coats of arms of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia. It is only in theory considered that Habsburg flags of the Kingdom of Croatia, Kingdom of Slavonia and Kingdom of Dalmatia were combined to form a red, white, blue flag. Latter the colours were given the Pan-Slavic meaning, Krleža's poetic licenced phrases and simmilar meanings. Nevertheless of those "meanings" the plain and simple fact is the heraldic background of those colours. Here is one of the pages devoted towards history of the Croatian flag [2].

The question that AlasdairGreen27 gave is interesting but the Flag of France nor the Flag of the Netherlands were not what gave us the Croatian red, white and blue. Instead you will find that most of the vexilologists agree that heraldry was the main source for flags, colourwise and otherwise too. -- Imbris (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Imbris, I'm not convinced, I'm afraid. I don't see much evidence that Croatia was truly the forerunner. Instead, I see a lot of sources saying that the French flag and Liberté, égalité, fraternité were the inspiration and the "the plain and simple fact", as you put it. Still, I've got nothing else to say on this, so your riposte here will be the last word on the subject :-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I have no knowledge on the matter, but that interpretation seems in my view to possess a fundamental flaw: where is the yellow? :) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 23:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, let's have all zoo on the flag, all local flora and fauna. Those little 5 coats of arms are not enough. That way we can have a lot of yellow. Zenanarh (talk) 07:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, maybe you're right --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 08:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Unidiomatic English

As so often on Wikipedia, this English article has evidently been written by a non-native speaker, without editing. Typical Slavic (in this case presumably Croatian) errors include the omission of the definite and indefinite articles ('First field of....', 'was letter U'). I don't think it helps if unidiomatic English is used in Wikipedia articles, as it encourages people to make the same mistakes and spread them around. It also perpetuates the myth that it doesn't make any difference how you write English - whereas in fact English has perfectly clear rules of its own.213.127.210.95 (talk) 13:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to remove Independent State of Croatia flag

I propose that the flag of the Nazi-puppet so-called Independent State of Croatia be removed.
While I am not contesting that significant portion of ethnic Croats used the flag, the modern day sovereign state Republic of Croatia explicitly rejects that it is a successor state to the Independent State of Croatia. In the section one of the currently in-force Croatian Constitution there is a outline of the Croatian sovereignty claim, and among number of claims there is also the following section (English translation):
"- establishing the foundations of state sovereignty during the course of the Second World War, by the decisions of the Antifascist Council of National Liberation of Croatia (1943), as opposed to the proclamation of the Independent State of Croatia (1941), and subsequently in the Constitution of the People's Republic of Croatia (1947) and all later constitutions of the Socialist Republic of Croatia (1963–1990)"
The critical part is in bold. Current day Republic of Croatia does not consider the Nazi puppet state to have been a legitimate expression of Croatian sovereignty. Thus, it does not seem appropriate to claim that the Independent State of Croatia flag is a historical version of the current day flag of Republic of Croatia. Melmann 11:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)