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Geez, I need to clean this up.

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2015 Indonesia Hercules C-130 crash

Please note that with a developing incident like this, it is particularly important to cite sources. There is no rush to complete the article, and we have a duty to our readers to get things right. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:22, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 2015

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Bali Nine

If every editor did what you have done in WP:AGF at Bali Nine the online encyclopedia would be full of WP:OR and waiting for refs

The point about having a valid and verifiable encyclopedia, is that we require WP:CITE and WP:RS - it is better to hold off on adding materials that cannot be verified in your own space - create a sub-page and save it there, until such time as you can get a handle on finding resources to verify your addition.

You need to understand that articles are meant to be the finished product, not holding spaces. JarrahTree 10:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree Thank you so much for helping me to develop during my teen years in Wikipedia PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 01:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2016 in Indonesia

Hi, I reverted your edits to 2016 in Indonesia because much of the content you added lacks citation, you introduced grammatical errors, and you have added too much content relating to a single incident. The page does need updating but I do not believe your changes were positive. Curro2 (talk) 07:02, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The content that you added to 2016 in Indonesia violates WP:BLP. You have added unsourced content that is critical of a living individual. If you want to re-add the content, please cite your sources and put the content in your own words. Curro2 (talk) 03:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Curro2 Thank you for helping me to develop during my teen years in Wikipedia PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 01:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contributions

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make disruptive edits to Wikipedia contrary to the Manual of Style. Greetings PaPa PaPaRoony, While we appreciate your enthusiasm and contributions to this Wiki, you obviously don't have a firm grasp of English grammar or spelling. You will be more comfortable editing in your native language. Please discontinue your counterproductive edits. Samf4u (talk) 00:20, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Samf4u Thank you for your concern. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reported at WP:AIV

I have reported you [1] for not following the verifiability policy (as in here) and blatantly ignoring the multiple warnings left at this talk page.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:44, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Papa Paparooney, I came this close to blocking you. It's time to start communicating with your fellow editors--refusing to do so can itself be considered disruptive editing, and thus blockable. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Drmies: The addition of unsourced material continues [2] [3].--Jetstreamer ^Talk 09:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Drmies: One more unsourced change [4].--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:05, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, Jetstreamer, but that's only one, right? I saw a whole bunch of verifying going on at 2000 Marsa Brega Short 360 crash. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 19:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Drmies: Thanks. I'm looking for nothing but to let the user know they should stick to WP:VERIFY.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 19:30, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Drmies @Jetstreamer I'm terribly sorry for my late reply. You definitely hate excuses but these mess happened during my teen years, definitely the years when I rarely checked my talk page and the days when I got too excited that I didn't know any Wikipedia policies (So yeah technically all warnings fell on deaf ears.) Anyway, I've resolved the issues. Said articles have gone through major edits in 2021 and recently in 2022. Thank you for your concern. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 01:41, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Better late than never! Welcome to the adult world--it's really no fun at all. Better to be young. Thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

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@Diannaa Thank you for helping me to understand Wikipedia during my teen years. Your feedback means a lot. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind words. I see you have been productively editing all this time! I hope to see you around for many more years of enjoying working on the site.— Diannaa (talk) 03:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 2016 - Indonesian articles

Hi, it is one thing to get enthusiastic, it is enough to also go into articles that have valid images and links - and simply swipe them all.

If your edit summaries were a bit more specific, I might consider your argument reasonable, but as it stands the removals and the edit summaries are somewhat less than systematic or reasoned. In most cases the editors who created the items you have removed have long gone or are unlikely to respond to your nebulous summaries. In this case it is the broader Indonesian project overall that has to bear the weight of your refined analysis.

As it is, I would be interested to see your explanation of this evenings swipes at the obvious highly variable quality items - I would strongly suggest removals as you have done need to be re-considered, but it remains to see how civilized our conversation might ensue... JarrahTree 15:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree I'm terribly sorry for my late reply, I rarely checked my talk page during the late 2010s but perhaps you have any recollection regarding the mentioned articles? It would be lovely for me to improve it. Really appreciate your feedback by the way. Thanks. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 01:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Batik Air Flight 7703

FYI, the Final Report has been published. ATC & Ground crew errors were the cause. Mjroots (talk) 21:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

United Express article

Does not

- Have the template in the article.
- Is not listed in the accidents and incidents section of United Airlines but separately.
- It is not listed at List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft. There is a talk page discussion there and the consensus is not to have it on the list. If it isn't eligible to be on the list, it won't be in the templates.

This is a customer service article not involving flight operations. NTSB is not involved. This is a police incident....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Read this talk page discussion[5] and the posts here[6] and here[7] in particular....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@WilliamJE Thank you for the feedback William, but seriously sorry for my very late reply. Do you have any recollection regarding the mentioned article? It would be lovely for me to improve it. Thanks. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 02:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I had just checked on the links that you had provided. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Emery Worldwide Flight 17 (November 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by David.moreno72 was:

Contains too many errors and incorrect English. Date is wrong and runway is wrong and it's degrees. Try proofreading several times. Once correct, it should be an easy accept.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Emery Worldwide Flight 17 has been accepted

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2017 West Java earthquake

Well, you gave me a first today, a well written article about a recent topic submitted to AfC. I was glad to approve it, and thanks so much for your awesome and timely submission! Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 04:11, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem: Air France Flight 5672

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I don't believe that I violated the copyright. I didn't copyedit anything at all. However, I should confirm that I read the report chronologically, analysed it, and then concluded it in a short conclusion text. So, i can tell the readers in chronological order.

I analysed that report for hours, read it repeatedly and later concluded it. Sadly, it is pretty similar to the report (I can't find a way to differentiate it even more since my English is bad). So, the way I explained the accident was controversial.

I do believe that this is also the best way to explain the cause of the crash or the accident chronologically. I'm an aviation enthusiast and from what I saw from the other articles, they also explain it chronologically and sometimes it bears similarity to the factual report.PaPa PaPaRoony

Copied from my talk page (to keep discussion in one place): Sorry, I am not certain if it is copyrighted which I why I've requested that an administrator look into it. If I am reading it correctly, our documentation at Wikipedia Commons says that French government texts are not in the public domain. It may take a few days for an admin to respond to the request, and the template should not be removed until they've cleared it. If there is a copyright violation it would have to be removed from the page history as well, so we really have to wait to hear back from them. SeraphWiki (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @SeraphWiki: Hey there, I did a copyvio check before I accepted the article, and if this is the article I remember, the high percentage that the copyvio tool gives is due to the quotations used in the article, which were stating what the official report said. I may have missed something, but figured I would mention it since I was the one that reviewed the article. Kees08 (Talk) 05:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kees08: I see the quote you are talking about but that was not the only reason I asked for admin attention. The extent of borrowing directly from one source is extensive enough throughout the entire article, that it might be an issue, if the source is indeed copyrighted. SeraphWiki (talk) 06:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah that's fine, just wanted to give my rationale. Kees08 (Talk) 06:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kees08@SeraphWiki Hello, very sorry for my late reply. Unfortunately yes, the edits in that article were mainly copyedits without much (if any) paraphrasing. Terribly sorry for my blatant violation on Manual of Style during my teen years. Thank you for the feedbacks though. PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kepada Saudara

Saudara adalah penutur asli bahasa Indonesia. So, sebab perkembangan artikel bermanfaat di Wiki Indonesia itu lambat, i hope saudara pun mau juga menulis dan bercontribute in Wiki Indonesia. Tak hanya di Wiki English belaka. Terima kasih. --AMA Ptk (talk) 11:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AMA Ptk Terima kasih atas masukan Saudara. Saya sempat berminat untuk mengembangkan artikel di Wiki Indonesia. Di waktu ke depan saya akan berusaha untuk mengembangkan beberapa artikel Indonesia. --Papa PaPaRoony 22:24, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@PaPa PaPaRoony: reading your answer membuat hati saya rasa happy, apatah lagi artikel di Indonesia perkembangannya tak begitu besar. Thank you, Saudara. Kontribusi Saudara di Wikipedia Indonesia selalu kami tunggu dan nantikan. (Maaf tak fasih amat English secara aktif, but secara pasif saya mampu). Terima kasih. --AMA Ptk (talk) 11:28, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Peldatari I

Bung, saya request buatin artikel tentang tragedi Peldatari I tahun 1997, MV Lestari Maju dan serangan Gereja Santa Lidwina Yogyakarta 2018 donk --Glorious Engine (talk) 13:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Glorious Engine ketiga-tiganya akan saya pertimbangkan. Untuk MV Lestari Maju, dalam seminggu ini akan dibuat. Data dan berita kecelakaan masih dikumpulkan. PaPa PaPaRoony 12:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some rendang for you!

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@Juxlos: Thank you so much for this! Really appreciate it PaPa PaPaRoony 05:17, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for August 2018 Lombok earthquake

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Palu earthquake tectonic setting

Hi, you tagged the "tectonic setting" section for expansion. I've added quite a bit to it since it was tagged - is there anything else that you feel it needs? Mikenorton (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikenorton: Hello! In my opinion, it's pretty impressive. Maybe a little history on the fault itself? I can't really contribute since I've been busy. Major edit will follow in the following weeks. Thank you for your contribution! Very much appreciated! Sorry for the late reply! PaPa PaPaRoony 11:39, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I could add something on the past history of the fault over the last few million years. Someone has already removed the tag, so that's not an issue, thanks. Mikenorton (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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AfC notification: Draft:2019 North Maluku earthquake has a new comment

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