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Edit Request – Addressing “Additional Citations” Template / Other Minor Edits

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NOTE: I’m proposing the following edits for FleishmanHillard on behalf of Edward Jones Investments. I’m a paid editor and aware of the COI guidelines. This edit request addresses the “additional citations” template at the top of the page as well as a couple of proposed sentence revisions and removals. Thanks for your time and consideration.

Biography

  • Citation to add to second sentence: After serving with the Merchant Marines in World War II he returned to the University of Missouri and in 1947 worked as a page on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.[2]
  • Proposed removal: Third sentence (He worked for a year at Josephthal & Co.) as we are unable to find anything that validates the claim.
  • Citation to add to fourth sentence: He returned to St. Louis in 1948 to work for his father Edward D. Jones.[3]
  • Citation to add to sixth sentence: He was managing partner of the firm from 1968 to 1980 during which the firm expanded to 300 branch offices.[4][5]
  • Citation to add to seventh sentence: In the last 10 years of his life, he donated $2.2 million for Missouri to acquire property along 200 miles of abandoned Missouri–Kansas–Texas Railroad rail tracks to form a bicycle path for the Katy Trail State Park.[6][7]


  • Proposed revision to eighth sentence + citation addition:

From: The planned eastern terminus of the park is the confluence of the Missouri River and Mississippi River.

To: The eastern terminus of the park is the confluence of the Missouri River and Mississippi River.[8]

Rationale: The park has been open for quite some time now, so “planned” is no longer necessary.


  • Proposed revision to ninth sentence + citation addition:

From: In 2004 the park at the confluence was named Edward "Ted" and Pat Jones-Confluence Point State Park in honor of his wife and him.

To: In 2004, the park at the confluence was named Edward "Ted" and Pat Jones-Confluence Point State Park in honor of Jones and his wife.[9]

Rationale: Inserting missing comma and correcting grammatical error.


  • Proposed removal: Tenth sentence (Differentiating himself from other corporate CEOs, Ted Jones allowed employees to buy into his partnership.) as we do not have sourcing that confirms he was differentiating himself from other CEOs. However, we can confirm that he allowed employees to buy stock and have included in the next proposed revision.


  • Proposed revisions to eleventh and twelfth sentences + citation addition:

From: At the time the most profitable firms in and around Missouri had started to go public by selling stock. Ted Jones bucked that trend and kept Edward Jones a partnership instead of a publicly held firm beholden to public shareholders and quarterly profits.

To: Differing from other firms that went public, Jones kept the company a privately owned partnership, only allowing employees to purchase shares in the company instead of opening stock purchases to the general public.[10]

Rationale and Placement: Deviating from editorial nature of original sentences. We also propose moving the revised sentence up to follow the second paragraph ("He returned to St. Louis...") of the Biography section to improve sequential narrative.

References

  1. ^ "Edward "Ted" & Hilda "Pat" Jones". [[State_Historical_Society_of_Missouri|]]. Retrieved May 23, 2024. Edward "Ted" Jones Jr. was born in St. Louis, Missouri, on December 18, 1925, to Edward D. Jones Sr. and Ursula Griesedieck… As the war drew to a close, he enlisted in the US Army through 1946. Upon his honorable discharge, Ted went back to the University of Missouri, intending to major in agriculture.
  2. ^ "Edward "Ted" & Hilda "Pat" Jones". [[State_Historical_Society_of_Missouri|]]. Retrieved May 23, 2024. After graduating from the Taylor School in St. Louis in 1943, Ted took summer courses at the University of Missouri in Columbia before enlisting in the US Merchant Marines during World War II…After a year of study, however, his parents withdrew him from the university and secured a job for him as a page, or young assistant, at the New York Stock Exchange.
  3. ^ Matthews, Curt (October 31, 1967). "Broker Says Current Speculation is Numbers Game Without Values". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Retrieved May 22, 2024. It was not until Jones's son, Edward D. Jones Jr., returned from duty after World War II and entered his father's business that the company began establishing branch offices on 'Main Street, USA.' The firm now counts 56 branch offices, ranging from Tennessee to Idaho. The younger Jones, 42, a graduate of the University of Missouri, set up an office in Mexico, MO in 1948. Since then he has directed expansion of the firm's small town branch operations into a high volume business.
  4. ^ Shook, Robert (2021). The Business of America is Business. Phaidon Press. p. 297. ISBN 1838664130. In 1968, after twenty years as a financial advisor, Ted, then 42 years of age, succeeded his father and became the firm's second managing partner.
  5. ^ Reddig, William (February 21, 1982). "EDWARD D. JONES, COUNTRY BROKER". The New York Times. Retrieved May 22, 2024. Two years ago, he turned the direction of the company over to John W. Bachmann, 43, who had run the Columbia, Mo., office for seven years…Firms are sometimes also measured by how many offices they have, and there, Jones, with 377 now, is second only to Merrill Lynch.
  6. ^ Conger, Phil (June 19, 1991). "Take a ride on Missouri's 'Katy Trail'". Bethany Republican-Clipper. Retrieved May 23, 2024. Boosted by a $2 million gift from the late Missouri philanthropist Edward D. "Ted" Jones Jr, the Missouri Department of Natural Resources has acquired the 200-mile-right-of-way of the old 'Katy' line and has begin developing two pilot trail projects, including the 37-mile segment at Rocheport.
  7. ^ Wagman, Jake (April 20, 2011). "A bridge naming, this time without the fracas". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Retrieved May 23, 2024. "The new bicycle and pedestrian lane on the Missouri River bridge near the state Capitol has been named for Pat Jones, whose late husband, Ted Jones, was the managing partner of Edward Jones Investments. (His father, EdwardD. Jones, founded the St. Louis company.) The lane, on the northbound side, will make it easier for bikers and hikers to travel between Jefferson City and the Katy Trail.
  8. ^ "EDWARD "TED" AND PAT JONES–CONFLUENCE POINT STATE PARK". Missouri Life Magazine. Retrieved May 23, 2024. A drone view of the confluence shows the waters of America's two great rivers as they begin to mingle. The Mississippi is on the right, and the Missouri is on the left. The point is a rocky spit of land…The park is named in honor of Edward "Ted" Jones and his wife Pat, who donated funds for the establishment of Katy Trail State Park. The Edward "Ted" and Pat Jones–Confluence Point State Park was dedicated on Sunday, May 9, 2004, with a replica pirogue and Lewis and Clark expedition reenactors present for the event. This was most appropriate, as that great Voyage of Discovery began here at the confluence on May 14, 1804.
  9. ^ "EDWARD "TED" AND PAT JONES–CONFLUENCE POINT STATE PARK". Missouri Life Magazine. Retrieved May 23, 2024. The park is named in honor of Edward "Ted" Jones and his wife Pat, who donated funds for the establishment of Katy Trail State Park. The Edward "Ted" and Pat Jones–Confluence Point State Park was dedicated on Sunday, May 9, 2004, with a replica pirogue and Lewis and Clark expedition reenactors present for the event. This was most appropriate, as that great Voyage of Discovery began here at the confluence on May 14, 1804.
  10. ^ Shook, Robert (2021). The Business of America is Business. Phaidon Press. p. 297. ISBN 1838664130. Ted maintained that the firm's owners should work for the company and even denied his two sisters a share because they did not work there. By being privately owned, the firm's management can make decisions based on what is best for its clients, rather than having to concern themselves with meeting Wall Street earnings targets or being held accountable to shareholders. To this day, the firm's parent company, The Jones Financial Companies, L.L.L.P., has remained a limited liability limited partnership, owned only by its associates and retired associates. It is not publicly traded.

Jon Gray (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I seem to have failed to close this when I completed the request. Thank you for your clear suggestions and for working through edit requests. Rusalkii (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request to Add Photo

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NOTE: I’m proposing the following edit and photo change request for FleishmanHillard on behalf of Edward Jones Investments. I am a paid editor and aware of the COI guidelines.

Request to Add Photo

With permission, we seek to add a photo of Ted Jones to his Wikipedia article. The photo can be found here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ted_Jones-EJI.jpg

Per the guidelines, I know editors with a COI may add/update article photos, which I’m happy to do. But I first wanted to determine if I have permission to do so or if an unaffiliated editor should handle. Please let me know how I should proceed. Thanks for the time and consideration. Jon Gray (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please wait until VRTS gets back to you about whether the image is correctly licensed. Once that is resolved, checkmark Go ahead and add the image yourself. Rusalkii (talk) 19:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Rusalkii - On the advice of the VTRS, we've submitted the photo as non-free via Wikipedia instead of our original Wikimedia submission. This was due to us being unable to track down certain details Wikimedia requested. The Wikipedia-housed photo can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_D._%22Ted%22_Jones,_former_CEO,_Edward_Jones_Investments.jpg. Just wanted to double check that we have permission to add this image ourselves given the change in direction? Thanks again. Jon Gray (talk) 22:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, go ahead. Rusalkii (talk) 22:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Jon Gray (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request – New Info / Proposed Sections

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NOTE: I’m proposing the following edits for FleishmanHillard on behalf of Edward Jones Investments. I’m a paid editor and aware of the COI guidelines. What follows are recommended updates to Ted Jones’s article to provide new information and break the existing “Biography” section into separate sections to improve readability. Thanks for your time and consideration.

Biography

  • Given the new information we’re proposing for the article, we recommend breaking the current “Biography” section into four parts: Early Life and Education, Career, Philosophy and Personal Life. Proposed content for each section is below, which combines existing content with new/revised content.

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Early Life and Education

  • Propose fleshing out the first two sentences of the existing Biography section to create the Early Life and Education section, which would on those very things.

From: “Jones was born in St. Louis, Missouri and studied agriculture at the University of Missouri. After serving with the Merchant Marines in World War II he returned to the University of Missouri and in 1947 worked as a page on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.”

To: Jones was born in St. Louis, Missouri and spent much of his youth on his family’s farm in Williamsburg, Missouri.[1][2] Following graduation from the Taylor School in 1943, Jones enlisted in the Merchant Marines during World War II, then served in the United States Army in 1946 before returning to the University of Missouri in 1947 to study agriculture.[3]

Rationale for requested changes: Provides additional narrative/context to Jones’ pre-career life and education.

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Career

  • Propose building around the second, third and fifth sentences of the existing Biography section to create the Career section.

From: “After serving with the Merchant Marines in World War II, he returned to the University of Missouri and in 1947 worked as a page on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. He returned to St. Louis in 1948 to work for his father Edward D. Jones...He was managing partner of the firm from 1968 to 1980 during which the firm expanded to over 300 branch offices.”

To: After one year of study, Jones was sent to New York City where he worked as a page on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. He later worked at Josephthal & Co., an organization that served as Edward D. Jones & Co.’s New York correspondent.[4]He returned to St. Louis in 1948 to work for his father Edward D. Jones.[5]

In 1968, Ted succeeded his father to become Edward Jones Investments’ second managing partner until 1980. During his tenure, the firm expanded to over 300 branch offices.[6][7]

Rationale for requested changes: Provides additional narrative/context regarding Jones’ career and restructures existing content for a better chronological flow.

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Philosophy

  • Some of the existing content speaks to Ted’s business philosophy (which still is practiced by the company today). Instead of having that woven into the Biography section, we propose splitting it out into its own section by building around the existing fourth and sixth sentences.

From: “Jones instituted the firm's branch office business model and oversaw the opening of the first one-person branch office in Mexico, Missouri…Differing from other firms that went public, Jones kept the company a privately owned partnership, only allowing employees to purchase shares in the company instead of opening stock purchases to the general public.”

To: While conducting business in rural Missouri and Illinois, Jones proposed that the company begin opening offices outside of St. Louis.[8]He subsequently instituted the firm's branch office business model and oversaw the opening of the first one-person branch office in Mexico, Missouri.[9] Jones’ expansion philosophy focused on towns comprised of 20,000 to 35,000 people, many of which did not have access to personal brokers selling mutual funds, unit trusts and tax-free bonds.[10]

Differing from other firms that went public, Jones kept the company a privately owned partnership, only allowing employees to purchase shares in the company instead of opening stock purchases to the general public.[11]

Rationale for requested changes: Provides additional narrative/context regarding Jones’ business philosophy which is still practiced by the company in modern times.

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Personal Life

  • Propose retaining the final two paragraphs of the article (“In the last 10 years of his life…” through “In 2015, Edward “Ted” Jones, Jr. was inducted…”) as written and housing them in a section called “Personal Life.”


References

  1. ^ "Edward "Ted" & Hilda "Pat" Jones". State Historical Society of Missouri. Retrieved September 27, 2024. Edward "Ted" Jones Jr. was born in St. Louis, Missouri, on December 18, 1925, to Edward D. Jones Sr. and Ursula Griesedieck
  2. ^ "Stock Broker Edward D. Jones Dies Of Cancer At Age 64". Macon Chronicle Herald. October 4, 1990. Jones lived on an 800-acre farm near Williamsburg in Callaway County.
  3. ^ "Edward "Ted" & Hilda "Pat" Jones". State Historical Society of Missouri. Retrieved September 27, 2024. After graduating from the Taylor School in St. Louis in 1943, Ted took summer courses at the University of Missouri in Columbia before enlisting in the US Merchant Marines during World War II. As the war drew to a close, he enlisted in the US Army through 1946. Upon his honorable discharge, Ted went back to the University of Missouri, intending to major in agriculture.
  4. ^ Shook, Robert (2021). The Business of America is Business. Phaidon Press. p. 292. ISBN 1838664130. The senior Jones wanted his son to pursue a career in the securities industry, not farming. He sent Ted to New York in 1947 to take a job as a page on the floor of the NYSE. During his time in New York, Ted also worked at Josephthal & Co., Edward D. Jones & Co.'s New York correspondent, where he held several low-level positions.
  5. ^ Matthews, Curt (October 31, 1967). "Broker Says Current Speculation is Numbers Game Without Values". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Retrieved September 27, 2024. It was not until Jones's son, Edward D. Jones Jr., returned from duty after World War II and entered his father's business that the company began establishing branch offices on 'Main Street, USA.'…The younger Jones, 42, a graduate of the University of Missouri, set up an office in Mexico, MO in 1948. Since then he has directed expansion of the firm's small town branch operations into a high volume business.
  6. ^ Shook, Robert (2021). The Business of America is Business. Phaidon Press. p. 297. ISBN 1838664130. In 1968, after twenty years as a financial advisor, Ted, then 42 years of age, succeeded his father and became the firm's second managing partner.
  7. ^ Reddig, William (February 21, 1982). "EDWARD D. JONES, COUNTRY BROKER". The New York Times. Retrieved September 27, 2024. Two years ago, he turned the direction of the company over to John W. Bachmann, 43, who had run the Columbia, Mo., office for seven years…Firms are sometimes also measured by how many offices they have, and there, Jones, with 377 now, is second only to Merrill Lynch.
  8. ^ "Edward D. jones & Co. Corporate Profile". The Hermitage Index. January 22, 1987. While working a territory in rural Missouri and Illinois he began experimenting with the concept of locating offices outside of St. Louis.
  9. ^ "Clipped From St. Louis Post-Dispatch". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. 1967-10-31. p. 20. Retrieved 2020-09-09.
  10. ^ Ipsen, Erik (June 1, 1985). "The best little wire house in small town America". Institutional_Investor_(magazine). Central to Jones's growth potential is that its core markets – towns of 20,000 to 35,000 people – remain largely untapped by other retail firms. But in most places where Jones establishes its offices, people have never before had easy, direct access to a personal broker selling the kinds of financial products in which Jones specializes… What Edward D. Jones sells with a vengeance are mutual funds, cautiously managed funds such as those offered by Putnam Advisory Co. and American Funds Service Co. They bring in fully 35 percent of the firm's revenues. Unit trusts, tax-free bonds and debt issues underwritten by Jones account for perhaps 30 percent; limited real estate partnerships about 10 percent; taxable bonds 5 percent; and interest from margin accounts - whose use the firm discourages - a little less than 5 percent.
  11. ^ Shook, Robert (2021). The Business of America is Business. Phaidon Press. p. 297. ISBN 1838664130. Ted maintained that the firm's owners should work for the company and even denied his two sisters a share because they did not work there. By being privately owned, the firm's management can make decisions based on what is best for its clients, rather than having to concern themselves with meeting Wall Street earnings targets or being held accountable to shareholders. To this day, the firm's parent company, The Jones Financial Companies, L.L.L.P., has remained a limited liability limited partnership, owned only by its associates and retired associates. It is not publicly traded.

Jon Gray (talk) 19:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Encoded  Talk 💬 19:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Encoded Thank you very much! Quick question for you - I noticed a couple of spaces for missing commas in the last couple of sentences of the article. Is it okay if I add those in? Thanks again. Jon Gray (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that's no problem, thanks! Encoded  Talk 💬 09:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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