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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Ultimateria (talk) 05:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Malayic/buək

Hi Wiktionarian89, thanks for this! But are you sure about the schwa? From the top down, it makes of course sense, but Kendayan bu'uk rather points to PM *buk/*buuk, parallel to tu'ut from *tut/*tuut 'knee' (< *tuhud). Minangkabau abuak looks like coming from earlier **əbuk with prosthetic schwa, so it does not really provide evidence for a vowel sequence uə in PM. –Austronesier (talk) 08:51, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

There's a Wiktionary entry for Brunei Malay tuhut. The etymology section shows that tuhut is derived from PM *tuət with intervocalic h, which I believe is based on Adelaar's reconstruction. As per Adelaar, the penultimate schwa in PM is usually dropped in Malay and changed to u in Banjarese for disyllabic words without intervocalic consonant; cf. PM *puət 'vagina' > Banjarese pu'ut, Malay amput (with epenthetic am-), parallel to PM *tuət 'knee' > Banjarese tu'ut, Malay lutut (contraction of earlier **ulu tut). Thus I assume *buək is more plausible. Wiktionarian89 (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree, these are convincing points. I have looked up Adelaar's reconstructions, he has *puət and *tuət because the sequence *-uə- is reflected as -ua- in Serawai. So even without a reflex of *buək in Serawai, it is consistent with the other two reconstructions, and of course also supported by top-down evidence. –Austronesier (talk) 19:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Palauan baeong

This is an obvious loan, but what do you think is the most plausible source? I'm torn between Malay and Tagalog. There is also babii in Palauan, which points to Malay as a donor for this layer of vocabulary. –Austronesier (talk) 11:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

As cited in Blust's "Palauan Historical Phonology: Whence the Intrusive Velar Nasal?", the Palauan word baeong seems to be loaned from Malay. Wiktionarian89 (talk) 12:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the reference, I have read that paper dozens of times, but the umbrella has escaped my memory. I also agree with Blust's assessment in the ACD that many attestations might be (direct and indirect) loans from Malay. It's in most cases just phonologically impossible to distinguish it from the inherited stock of vocabulary, but that's a big problem anyway with many "WMP" reconstructions without diagnostic sounds like *z, *j, *R. –Austronesier (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Banggai boolu

Cool, how have you found this? I have only been aware of soodo (from published wordlists and my own short elicitation data), but now that you have mentioned boolu as descendant, I have spotted it in the Bible translation. –Austronesier (talk) 10:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

My main reference is the Bible translation other than ABVD. An example shown in a research paper has the same exact spelling. Wiktionarian89 (talk) 11:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

While we're at it: shouldn't we move Reconstruction:Proto-Malayo-Polynesian/(ma-)baqəʀu to Reconstruction:Proto-Malayo-Polynesian/baqəʀu? If there's a stative verb that didn't take *ma- in PMP, it's *baqəRu. There are a few languages that have the prefix, but this is most probably a later innovation. –Austronesier (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please do. Wiktionarian89 (talk) 14:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Redirects

What are the odds that none of the thousands of languages in the world have ever had a word with the spelling "tengiri? While it's true that many of them are written in different scripts, and many others are excluded for phonotactic or orthographic reasons, that still leaves a lot of languages neither you nor I know anything about, that might someday need to have an entry on that page. There are complex spellings- especially phrases- that are safe to make into redirects, but I'm not so sure that tengiri is one of them. Please read WT:REDIR. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for the reminder. I'll make sure to be more careful next time. Wiktionarian89 (talk) 05:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

changes to Template:desc

Hi. Just FYI, {{desc}} has changed a bit; please use |t= in place of |4= (the gloss/definition), and |alt= in place of |3= (the display/alternative form). This is because the template will soon support multiple terms. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 02:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Jawi spelling

Hello! For words like mulai, where the Dewan Bahasa writes 'مولاءي', would our convention here be to write 'مولاٴي'? I'm basing this off things like اٴير, but I'm not sure. Alexlin01 (talk) 22:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)