Talk:Q469925

Site officiel ??

https://aiatsis.gov.au/bio/int/prof-ghilad-zuckermann n'est pas un site officiel, contrairement aux allégations du contributeur, mais un site biographique du sujet. Merci de donner des sources indépendantes : cette page est éditée par de multiples contributeurs CAOU qui semblent très très proches du sujet, --Pierrette13 (talk) 06:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC) --- Pierrette13

Pierrette13, Please explain your multiple deletions. For instance:

• You deleted the subject's "employer: University of Cambridge" and "employer: Churchill College" although you can easily find multiple online references confirming these facts, for instance https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9781403917232#aboutAuthors
• You deleted the subject's "educated at United World College of the Adriatic" although you can easily find multiple online references confirming this fact, for instance https://www.uwcad.it/2018/Five-outstandingly-successful-stories/Gemona

Interestingly, you added similar facts about other subjects in Wikidata without providing any references.

Also, please try to refrain from forcing French on the English description. The name in English is Adelaide, not Adelaïde. Zuzka Bartik (talk) 06:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Vous devez fournir des sources indépendantes : une page personnelle du sujet ne peut pas être considérée comme une page officielle, contrairement aux allégations. Cette page est remplie par un certain nombre de contributeurs à objet unique, ce n'est pas acceptable. Merci de vous conformer aux exigences concernant les conflits d'intérêt, cordialement, --Pierrette13 (talk) 06:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

These are online news items and online material by established publishing houses such as Palgrave Macmillan. Please stop your vandalism. Zuzka Bartik (talk) 06:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

J'ai répondu en bas de page, merci de ne pas utiliser Wikidata pour cette biographie professionnelle : vous devez séparer les endroits d'étude et les emplois universitaires, merci d'indiquer des sources indépendantes, une mention sur le livre publié par le sujet n'est pas une source indépendante, --Pierrette13 (talk) 07:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Comptes à objet unique qui éditent la page

Les contributions s'étalent sur le mois de juillet 2018. Comptes à objet unique qui éditent cette page :

• Zuzka Bartik
• FamkeKroes
• קיין ומוויסנדיק פּרעפֿערענצן
• Californiarockss
• Ki902
• Jrfepp
• Crimea
• Mazaricuu
• Banjol
• Dellankss
• 129.127.91.160

--Pierrette13 (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Doctorat

Le doctorat est déjà indiqué. Un collège où l'étudiant réalise un doctorat doit être mentionné dans la scolarité. S'il s'agit d'un employeur, il n'est pas pertinent d'indiquer un diplôme, --Pierrette13 (talk) 06:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

United World College of the Adriatic

Pierrette13 deleted the claim that Zuckermann was educated at the United World College of the Adriatic. But this fact is confirmed by multiple news items, for instance these two sites:

• https://www.ilfriuli.it/articolo/politica/il-fvg-sia-punto-di-riferimento-europeo-per-l-quote-innovazione/3/187131 “Ghil'Ad Zuckermann, già studente del Collegio del Mondo Unito dell'Adriatico e oggi professore ordinario di linguistica e lingue in via di estinzione dell'Università di Adelaide in Australia”.

• http://www.regione.fvg.it/rafvg/comunicati/comunicato.act?dir=/rafvg/cms/RAFVG/notiziedallagiunta/&nm=20181008132817001

Also, the United World College of the Adriatic itself mentions that Ghil’ad Zuckermann is its alumnus: https://www.uwcad.it/2018/Five-outstandingly-successful-stories/Gemona

Zuzka Bartik (talk) 07:54, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Oui, la source indique qu'il a été étudiant (studente del Collegio del Mondo Unito dell'Adriatico), j'ai laissé l'assertion aucune autre précision, merci de ne pas sourcer des faits avec des sources inexistantes, cordialement, --Pierrette13 (talk) 08:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Employer: University of Queensland

Pierrette13 deleted the claim that Professor Zuckermann was employed by the University of Queensland. But Professor Zuckermann's employment by the University of Queensland is confirmed by multiple online sources, for instance these ones:

• https://www.haaretz.com/1.5057395 "I have followed the work of Prof. Zuckermann, who teaches linguistics at the University of Queensland in Australia, for years, and have read most of the important publications he has written in English." (Haaretz newspaper)

• http://www.uq.edu.au/events/event_view.php?event_id=3447 "Ghil‘ad ZUCKERMANN, D.Phil. (Oxford), Ph.D. (Cambridge) (titular), M.A. (Tel Aviv) (summa cum laude), is Associate Professor and ARC Discovery Fellow at EMSAH [University of Queensland]" (published by the University of Queensland itself).

• http://www.uq.edu.au/events/event_view.php?event_id=5679 "Prof Ghil`ad Zuckermann. Phone: 51445. Email: ##@uq.edu.au Org. Unit: Communication and Arts" (published by the University of Queensland itself).

• https://www.jstor.org/stable/26190109?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents "Ghil'ad Zuckermann. The University of Queensland."

Zuzka Bartik (talk) 08:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Zuzka Bartik Merci de préciser les dates : quand l'emploi a-t-il commencé, quand a-t-il fini ? La troisième source n'est pas pertinente de toute façon (pas d'indication qu'il ait été professeur associé, --Pierrette13 (talk) 08:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Employer: University of Cambridge; Employer: Churchill College

Pierrette13 deleted the claims that Ghil'ad Zuckermann was employed by the University of Cambridge and by Churchill College. But Zuckermann's employment by the University of Cambridge (THE FACULTY OF MODERN AND MEDIEVAL LANGUAGES) and Churchill College is confirmed by multiple sources, for instance:

• http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/reporter/2000-01/weekly/5820/51.html "Elected into Junior Research Fellowships under Title B: [...] Ghil`ad Zuckermann, M.A., Tel Aviv, D.Phil., Oxford"

• http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/reporter/2004-05/special/02/6.html "List of members of the Faculties. UNIVERSITY OFFICES. 1 OCTOBER 2004. In pursuance of Regulation 2 of the General Regulations for Faculties (Statutes and Ordinances, p. 539), the Registrary publishes the following preliminary lists of members of the Faculties. † Indicates that membership ends on 5 November 2005. [...] THE FACULTY OF MODERN AND MEDIEVAL LANGUAGES: †G. Zuckermann, CHU[RCHILL COLLEGE]"

• https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9781403917232#aboutAuthors "GHIL'AD ZUCKERMANN is Gulbenkian Research Fellow at Churchill College, Cambridge. He teaches and supervises at the Faculty of Oriental Studies and is affiliated with the Department of Linguistics [University of Cambridge]. He has published in English, Israeli, Italian, Yiddish, Spanish and Russian, has taught in Singapore, the USA and Israel and conducted research in Japan and Australia."

Zuzka Bartik (talk) 08:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

J'ai enlevé le doublon Churchill College = Université de Cambridge, les indications fournies par un auteur à un éditeur ne sont pas des sources secondaires mais des sources primaires. Merci de fournir des sources institutionnelles, --Pierrette13 (talk) 09:17, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Page personnelle vs page WD

Je vous rappelle qu'une notice Wikidata n'a pas vocation à remplacer un blog personnel. Merci de n'indiquer que les mentions sourcées par une source institutionnelle (une 4e page de couverture et une page personnelle d'universitaire ne remplacent pas une source indépendante. --Pierrette13 (talk) 09:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

J'ai enlevé doctorat de St Hugh College qui est redondant par rapport au doctorat d'Oxford : il s'agit du même diplôme, pas pertinent de l'indiquer deux fois, --Pierrette13 (talk) 09:25, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Merci. Zuzka Bartik (talk) 05:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)