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Arab Motors TV

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I cannot find any significant coverage of this to establish notability. The article also gives off advertisement vibes. GranCavallo (talk) 04:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Absolutely not notable. Ajf773 (talk) 09:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG with vim, verve and brio. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article fail WP:N and WP:V Ugh? Completely unsourced?? Tesleemah (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Likely a time-buy satellite channel that down the line realized YouTube distribution was much better; they're now known as ArabGT (YT) and have an appropriate website. This channel certainly fails GNG though and the article likely got abandoned in some kind of ownership transfer. Nate • (chatter) 00:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bahrain

Ahmed bin Khalifa bin Salman Al Khalifa

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Fails WP:NBIO - political appointment with no notable history. UtherSRG (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bahrain Proposed deletions

Egypt

Challenger Limited

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Fails WP:NCORP. Sources do not meet WP:SIRS. Multiple issues tagged for years with no significant improvement. Was already deleted before by WP:PROD. Yet article came back without sufficient justification. Imcdc Contact 03:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Egypt Proposed deletions

Arab American Vehicles (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
East Mediterranean Gas Company (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Egyptalum (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
eSpace (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Herrawi Group (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Ibrachy & Dermarkar (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Mo'men (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Olympic Group (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Seoudi Group (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Shotmed Paper Industries (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Corona (confectioner) (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Starworld (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
Bahgat Group (via WP:PROD on 2 November 2024)

Iran

Battle of Dabil (1517)

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Same issues as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kerh (1516) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Qara-Hamid (1510). Doesn't seem notable, poorly formatted and unverifiable citations. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I can’t find any sources at all to support this. In addition Kızıl Ahmet Bey did not die at it as shown in the Infobox, and according to thus source neither did Mirza Mehmet. Created by a blocked sockpuppet. Mccapra (talk) 06:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as obviously incorrect content. I would actually not be averse to moving this to draft space, just in case research turns up something, but the misinformation already contained makes me leery than anything would turn up. BD2412 T 15:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Qara-Hamid (1510)

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Fail to see how this is notable. The only two remaining citations are poorly cited (and not verifiable) and seem to be based on translation of a primary source? This was moved to draft twice because of its poor quality [1] [2] but then quickly moved back with no explanation by two brand new users [3] [4], one of them being the creator of this article. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The second citation appears to be from this article, so Azerbaijani-speaking editors could be of help. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That isn’t the source referred to. The pdf you linked to doesn’t have pages 500 or 501 as in the reference, and in any case doesn’t mention Qara Hamid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccapra (talk • contribs)

Delete as I can’t find any sources in any language for this alleged battle. Mccapra (talk) 15:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)8[reply]
Delete likely fabricated sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete

lacks notability and verification. Someguywhosbored (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nations Cultures

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I'm failing to find anything about this film in Reliable Sources and don't think It meets WP:NFILM. Of course this may just be a product of the generic name and it being an Iranian film, but the lack of inclusion in normally permissive databases (IMDB, etc.) or on fa.wiki, doesn't fill me with confidence. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 11:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NFILM or WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There's nothing out there - even IMDb doesn't have this listed. There are roughly two or three possibilities for this. The first is that the film was released prior to the Internet being as widely available and archived, so any sources for this were either not put on the internet or are no longer easily found. The second is that the film was never released to the English speaking market and as such, any sources are in another language. If it was released when the internet wasn't as robust as it is now, then the mix of other language and late 90s, early 2000s internet issues would definitely keep sources from being found - Google doesn't always crawl those like it would an English language source. The third and also likely is that the film just isn't notable. As the nominator stated, the film isn't mentioned on the Persian/Farsi Wikipedia, so that is somewhat a nod in that direction. We'd really need someone fluent in Farsi to take a look and verify that there aren't any sources for this. I used Google Translate to give me a Farsi translation of the title (assuming that it was the same title in Farsi) and there aren't a ton of sources that came up. I'll see if I can find someone willing to do a search, just to be on the safe side. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doing some research on the listed Researcher/Script writer/Director/editor turns up a personal website on which he lists the series as running from 1994-1997, which may account for the lack of online sources as you say. He also seems to have adapted it into a book listed as being in English, but I can't figure out if it was also put out in Farsi. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 13:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The good news about not being able to find sources from the early 1990s is that a lot of stupid things Generation X did in our youth are not discoverable. The bad news is that a big chunk of history between the demise of small bookstores and the growth of Internet 2.0 is missing. Bearian (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Kerh (1516)

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Challenged draftification. I can’t find the necessary sources to verify and establish the subject’s notability. The subject currently fails to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if you can find sources. A rewrite may also be needed per WP:NPOV. GrabUp - Talk 09:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Unfortunately all of Hasanreels's created articles are like this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete likely hoax created by blocked sockpuppet, Mccapra (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sistani of Golestan

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This article is very difficult to understand. Some people moved from Sistan to Golestan for reasons that are largely lost in translation. Is this movement notable? Between Farsi and Russian sources, hard to say. I don’t think our readers are well served by having something so garbled in mainspace, so suggest draftifying for further work. Mccapra (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Ario Nahavandi

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I'm not seeing third party SIGCOV, probably not enough here for WP:NBIO. KH-1 (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I hope you are well, I have added more references such as (Magazine, News and more refs) to make sure each statements are supported by mentioned references. Could you please let me know if this could help to not be nominated for deletion? any feadbacks or help in case if there are still some issue with this article would be appreciated, many thanks xx Lanak20 (talk) 20:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide links to three sources that discuss him in detail? -KH-1 (talk) 00:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes here are the some sources that dicuss him in the details:

1 ) https://www.nationaldiversityawards.co.uk/awards-2024/nominations/ario-nahavandi/

2) https://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/1933514 ( Moscow tonight / Party issue/ February vol2/ page 34,35,36,37 )

3) https://www.bbc.com/persian/articles/cm5er1zggp0o

some extra just in case:

4) https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1652987/%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AE%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%DA%A9-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B4-%D8%AC%D9%86%DA%AF%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%AE%D8%AA-%D9%88-%D9%BE%D8%B2-%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%AE%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C

5)

https://roozaneh.net/art-culture/biography/%D8%B2%D9%86%D8%AF%DA%AF%DB%8C%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AE%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%88%DB%8C/

Lanak20 (talk) 12:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional profile, probably user submitted.
Can't access the full publication, unclear what coverage it provides of the subject
About a protest song, doesn't specifically mention the subject as far as I can tell English
What appears to be a film review, doesn't mention the subject as far as I can tell English
What appears to be a promotional bio of a different individual - English

Still not seeing anything that would demonstrate SIGCOV.-KH-1 (talk) 05:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I appreciate your feadback however:

It is not a promotional website, there is not a part of website stating user can create a profile or bio. the National Diversity Awards website is not a promotional platform where individuals can create their own profiles. It is a curated, third-party site that publishes detailed nomination profiles for individuals recognized for their achievements. Wikipedia's notability guidelines for biographies of living persons, such as WP (General Notability Guideline), accept third-party recognition and profiles published on award platforms as potential sources. This source provides coverage that is independent and detailed enough to establish some notability.
The February issue of Moscow Tonight, available on MagCloud, includes four dedicated pages about the subject. This source should meet WP guidelines, as it provides detailed coverage on the individual. The fact that the magazine is behind a paywall does not negate its validity as a source, especially since Wikipedia encourages the use of reliable sources regardless of paywalls (WP). To address your concern about access, I am happy to provide additional details if needed."
I understand there may have been a translation challenge here, as the article on BBC 'Persian' references the individual within the broader context of cultural movements. The piece mentions notable figures, including the subject, associated with influential trends in this movement. BBC Persian is a reputable source, and while the English translation may lack some nuance, the article reflects the subject’s role within a culturally significant narrative, which aligns with WP when viewed as part of their broader impact. I’m happy to clarify any specific details from the source in the original Persian to ensure accurate representation. This source, while not comprehensive on its own, does contribute valuable context alongside other supporting sources that I am preparing to further substantiate the article.
Mashregh News Article on a Protest Song (Bella Ciao and artists who sang) : While this article is not just a film review and may not solely focus on the subject, it is worth noting that WP allows for multiple sources that contribute to notability as a collective rather than needing to be individually comprehensive. This piece references the subject within a context that showcases their influence and relevance, particularly within cultural discussions, which contributes to notability even if indirectly.
Roozaneh.net Biography (Appears to Be a Different Individual): I understand the concern here. It seems this website might be confusing in English translation but i have added this as there is a connection to related page as in the article it was mention of music collaboration and some refers. I am willing to remove it from consideration and focus on sources directly pertinent to the subject. My apologies for any confusion here.

Lanak20 (talk) 13:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We need to see more participation here besides the nominator and the article creator.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete "Singer, songwriter, actor, social media Influencer and product designer" - I mean, you really do have to make your mind up which you're going to be! However, subject fails WP:GNG across any/all of these. The links provided in addition to those in the article are singularly unconvincing. The scant namechecks or one-line mentions of the subject do not collectively convince me that we are anywhere near a pass of WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback on the article. I would like to address the concerns you raised, with reference to Wikipedia’s guidelines to provide clarity. Based on Wikipedia’s guidelines and standards, this article meets the criteria for inclusion and should not be deleted. Here are several key reasons:
1. Relevance of Multiple Roles: It’s not uncommon for Wikipedia to document individuals with multi-disciplinary careers, as this reflects the diverse nature of modern achievements. Figures such as Donald Glover and Jennifer Lopez are recognized for having multiple notable career paths. This bio reflects Ario Nahavandi’s notable roles across multiple fields, which aligns with Wikipedia's standards on verifiability and notability across multiple occupations.
2. General Notability Guideline (WP): The subject's notability is supported through the National Diversity Awards , which is a curated platform recognizing notable figures. The profile published on this platform isn’t self-authored but rather part of an established award process, lending credibility as a third-party endorsement. This source provides significant coverage of the individual’s achievements.
3. Reliability of Paywalled Sources: Wikipedia acknowledges that paywalled content is permissible, as stated in WP . The "Moscow Tonight" magazine article provides four pages dedicated to Ario Nahavandi, discussing his work and influence in detail. Although behind a paywall, this article offers depth and aligns with WP ’s requirement for significant coverage. Paywalls do not undermine a source’s validity, as Wikipedia emphasizes content reliability over accessibility.
4. Verification and Language Nuances: The Persian articles references Ario Nahavandi within the context of each lines that eas mentioned and also cultural movements, specifically his version of the protest song "Bella Ciao." This song has significant cultural relevance and is widely associated with advocacy and social justice, topics that Nahavandi’s work reportedly explores. This source establishes the subject's cultural impact and positions him within a movement. While it may not be the sole basis for notability, it provides valuable context and should be considered alongside other sources.
5. Indirect Contributions and WP : Wikipedia allows for cumulative notability, where references collectively demonstrate a subject’s influence and relevance. Although some sources provide indirect mentions, when considered together, they support the subject’s impact, especially within the Persian music scene and cultural discussions. WP does not demand each source to be exhaustive on its own; instead, they collectively establish the subject’s role within the field.
Lanak20 (talk) 09:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not pass notability for musicians, I don't see any charted singles or awards... Source 15 is about a government minister speaking about another person/actress, I'm not sure what that has to do with this person. Source 2 is a promotional link, as is source 4. Source 24 is a spotify link... Nothing of substance to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the feedback, but I feel like I’m repeating myself here and my previous responses aren’t getting through. I’ve explained the sources and how they align with Wikipedia’s guidelines multiple times now, but the same points keep being brought up without addressing what I’ve already clarified. Let me break it down again.
1. Notability for Musicians: According to Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for musicians (WP), charted singles or awards are not the only ways to prove notability. There are plenty of other paths, like independent coverage from reputable sources—which is exactly what this article has. Sources like National Diversity Awards, Moscow Tonight, and Persian articles offer solid, independent discussions about Ario Nahavandi and his work, which should count toward notability.
2. Independent Sources, Not Promotion: Calling sources like the National Diversity Awards and Moscow Tonight “promotional” doesn’t seem fair. These are third-party sources with editorial oversight, not advertisements. Just because they highlight his achievements doesn’t make them promotional—they’re providing coverage, which is what WP looks for in reliable sources. These follow the General Notability Guideline (WP) for third-party verification.
3. Government Minister Source: There seems to be some confusion about Source 15, where a government minister is talking about an actress. This source helps give cultural context—it’s not unusual to include related content for background on notable figures, especially when covering their influence in a specific cultural scene. This isn’t off-limits according to WP guidelines; it’s a way to round out the picture.
4. Spotify Link: Yes, there’s a Spotify link, but it’s only there as a supplement, not to prove notability. Tons of musician articles on Wikipedia include links to their music platforms—it’s standard practice to help readers access their work. The main argument for notability here still relies on the independent, reliable sources.
5. Following WP Guidelines with References: I’ve made sure to use references that follow Wikipedia’s guidelines. But it feels like they’re being dismissed, even though they meet WP’s standards. To show the inconsistency, there are lots of Wikipedia articles with broken or outdated references that still stay up, like Mohsen Chavoshi’s page. I could list pages like this all day, yet this article is being picked apart for sources that actually work.
6. Concerns about Paid Editing: I’m aware there are people who offer paid services to approve articles, which goes against WP’s principles. If the resistance here is because I didn’t pay someone, I’d rather the article be deleted than compromise Wikipedia’s integrity. But I’ve put in the work to follow WP’s guidelines and provide solid sources, and I just want this to be reviewed fairly and will be able to try to find another reference in case if the feadback be fair. In short, I’ve followed Wikipedia’s rules by providing reliable sources that show notability. While they may not fit one rigid definition of notability, they definitely meet WP’s flexible standards, especially for culturally relevant figures. I’d really appreciate it if my previous responses could be reviewed before the same issues keep coming up.
Thanks, and I hope we can come to a fair decision here. Lanak20 (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are repeating yourself, thank you for the input but repeating it again and again isn't helping. We're able to evaluate the sources and come to a fair decision with regards to notability. This isn't a quick YES or NO, but we review all sources against guidelines here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Simply releasing music isn't enough for notability. The acting "career" appears to be a demo tape and several small roles, which aren't notable. There seems to be nothing about the influencer or product designer as noted, implying these aren't notable. We've yet to prove this is more than an individual with a good marketing team. Oaktree b (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I understand where you're coming from, but there’s still some misunderstanding about the significance of Ario’s work and the guidelines around notability. Let’s break it down.
1. Notability Beyond Just "Releasing Music": Yes, simply releasing music isn’t enough on its own, but that’s not the only factor here. We have multiple independent sources that discuss Ario’s impact in his field—this isn’t just about “releasing music.” Publications like National Diversity Awards and BBC Persian don’t cover everyone; they choose to feature people making a unique impact. This aligns with Wikipedia’s general notability guidelines (WP), which don’t require an artist to have charted singles or awards if there’s other significant coverage.
2. Acting Career: Ario’s acting career goes beyond “demo tapes” and small roles. He’s participated in multiple verified productions, and his acting has received independent coverage. Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for actors state that an actor can be considered notable if they've participated in productions or performances that have received media attention, even if they’re not lead roles in blockbuster movies. It’s not just about playing a leading part; it’s about building a portfolio and being recognized within the industry, which Ario has done. Independent coverage discussing his involvement in these projects supports his notability as an emerging actor.
3. Influencer & Product Designer: I understand that his work as an influencer and designer may seem unconventional in terms of traditional “celebrity” roles. However, these aspects are part of his public persona and career, with coverage that explores his influence and contributions. For example, his work on immersive concert experiences is notable as a unique innovation, which aligns with notability standards if covered by reliable sources. The guidelines support recognition of multi-faceted careers that involve creative influence, especially when such roles are supported by independent sources that verify their impact.
4. Good Marketing Team: I understand the concern about this being “good marketing,” but the coverage here isn’t promotional content—it’s independent reporting from reputable sources. The National Diversity Awards and BBC Persian don’t cover everyone; they feature people making a significant, recognized impact. This isn’t just about publicity; it’s about being recognized by third-party sources. Ario's notability fits within Wikipedia’s guidelines for emerging figures whose work and influence are acknowledged by independent sources.
5. Consistency in Applying Guidelines: I’ve genuinely made an effort to follow Wikipedia’s guidelines, with reliable sources that provide real coverage—not promotional links. It feels inconsistent to dismiss these achievements when Wikipedia has plenty of articles on individuals with fewer sources or less independent coverage. Let’s make sure we’re applying notability guidelines equally across all entries.
Finally, I want to emphasize that Wikipedia is based on objective standards and guidelines, not on individual opinions or assumptions. You can’t disregard or downplay someone's notability just because it doesn’t align with your personal perspective. I’ve provided sources that meet Wikipedia’s standards, and instead of relying on subjective judgments, I’d ask that we evaluate this entry according to Wikipedia’s actual guidelines.

If there's still disagreement, let's address it with clear references to the guidelines, not personal viewpoints. We should avoid making assumptions about intent or credibility based on preference, and instead, keep the focus on Wikipedia's principles of neutrality and verifiability rather than personal assumptions and opinions. 212.132.245.64 (talk) 17:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And finally, you still haven’t answered my question: Have you scrutinized the countless other Wikipedia articles with broken reference links, like the one for Mohsen Chavoshi and many many more? Would you like me to provide endless examples of articles with references that can’t even be opened? How did those articles get approved? Did they pay Wikipedia editors? that's why?

Is my article, which follows Wikipedia’s guidelines with reliable, verifiable references, getting unfairly dismissed because I haven’t paid anyone? It feels like I’m facing subjective opinions here rather than an objective review based on Wikipedia’s own standards for notability and would love to speak to somone who is incharge above people with personal unfair judgments feadback which even don't know about wikipedia guidliness. 212.132.245.64 (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lanak20, please do not edit logged out of your account. And, as far as I can see, you've posted the same lengthy comments 4 times in this discussion. It would be wise for another participant to "hat" your remarks as they have gotten repetitive and looks like they've been generated using AI tools.

And please stop with the aspersions of paid editing, 99.99% of editors on Wikipedia are volunteers (and the paid editors are self-identified) so you are making unfair accusations against the community by accusing them of bias through paid editing. Please stop stating this and, in general, I think you have put forth your argument multiple times so you don't need to participate here any longer unless it is to address a question asked of you. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't ask me to not respond when you are giving incorrect feedback directly to my article.

Let’s be clear: I’m not accusing all editors of paid bias, but when I see countless articles with broken links and questionable notability stay up while mine is under relentless scrutiny, it raises valid questions. Mentioning the offers I've received for paid publishing isn’t an “aspersions” tactic—it’s a reality check on the inconsistencies here.

If my comments are repeated, it’s because critical points are being ignored. I expect this process to follow Wikipedia’s guidelines, not personal biases. If my article meets Wikipedia’s notability standards, it should be treated fairly and not dismissed based on opinions.

The first editor’s main question was, "Can you provide links to three sources that discuss him in detail?" I provided three, with the first two being strong by any guideline standard. If the third source (BBC News) is the issue here, I’m willing to replace it with another that meets the criteria. However, there’s no reason not to accept the first two, as they clearly follow Wikipedia’s guidelines.

And still, none of you have addressed my question about broken links in approved articles, like Mohsen Chavoshi. Another example is Benyamin Bahadori which only has five references, four of which are irrelevant to the content, with just one barely covering the subject. If those articles are approved with weak sources, why is mine, with multiple valid references, getting unfairly judged?

How many more do you want me to lind up for you?

It seems the “99.99% of editors” are doing quite a selective job if articles with broken, irrelevant, or minimal references can pass while valid, guideline-compliant sources for mine are dismissed for some reason which is not paid to get published apparently. Lanak20 (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lanak20, there are close to 7 million articles on Wikipedia. We don't have a system of regularly evaluating all of them. We evaluate articles that have been nominated for deletion through one of our deletion processes (CSD, PROD and AFD/RFD/CFD/etc.). If you see articles that you don't believe are in line with Wikipedia's standards for notability and sourcing, feel free to nominate them yourself for a deletion discussion. It's up to editors to take care of this but, like I said, we are all volunteers and we work as much or as little as an editor wants and contributes to the areas they want to contribute to. This is no one's "job" where we have to meet a job description's expectations. And if anyone has offered to help you in exchange for money, it's a well-known scam where the person takes your money and either does nothing or does a terrible job. Delete those requests that come your way or forward them to WMF. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying, but let’s set some things straight. I’m fully aware Wikipedia runs on volunteer contributions, and I have great respect for the countless hours invested by the community. But this does not change the fact that when an article is nominated for deletion, it’s fair to expect decisions based on Wikipedia’s guidelines, not selective judgment or dismissal of legitimate sources—especially when those sources align with notability criteria.

You mentioned the system isn’t designed to continually assess existing articles, yet the same notability standards should apply universally to those currently in consideration. It raises valid concerns when comparable articles with weaker sourcing are accepted, while mine, with detailed third-party recognition, is repeatedly undermined.

Regarding paid offers, I'm well aware of scams, and I’m not naïve enough to pay for services that violate Wikipedia’s ethics. However, pointing out this reality is not an "aspersions" tactic but a legitimate concern. My request is simple: hold this article to the same standards consistently applied to others, and evaluate it fairly, based on content and verifiable sources—not assumptions, nor speculation about the individual or their work. Lanak20 (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Quite simply fails WP:GNG and WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong (talk) 08:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article meets both WP and WP notability guidelines.
1. Independent Coverage: The article includes multiple independent sources that provide detailed coverage of Ario Nahavandi’s work, not just brief mentions, meeting WP . For instance, National Diversity Awards and Moscow Tonight offer in-depth perspectives on his achievements.
2. NSINGER Compliance: WP allows for notability even without charted singles, provided there is significant media coverage. These sources fulfill this requirement by highlighting his impact in the arts.
This aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines, and I ask that the assessment be reconsidered based on these points. Lanak20 (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yashar Vafaei Mamaghani

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Does not meet WP:GNG. All of the sources (Turkish is my mother-tongue, so I examined all of them.) are promotional. The page needs to be deleted. Kadı Message 21:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I agree with the nomination rationale. The references are dated closely together, are similarly worded, and do not seem to reflect independent journalism. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Seems to satisfy WP:GNG, seen coverage in numerous sources. Some recent ones do seem to be around the same timeframe but from what I can see is from reputable and acceptable news websites. There seems to be older articles as well which aren't necessarily referenced in the article, but still demonstrate notability. Rob. H. Brodie (talk) 07:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rob. H. Brodie, please read this policy. Promotional content is not allowed on Wikimedia projects. Best, Kadı Message 13:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I have read and I don't find this applicable to me especially on the 'paid contribution'. If there are promotional texts in the article I'm happy to go and correct it. I'm even happy to add things that would be deemed negative to the subject if that's important and there are sources from it. But from what I have gathered and seen I don't think the article should be deleted on the basis provided above. It is in the best interest of Wikipedia to maintain articles that have acceptable sources, which I am confident this article has. Best Rob. H. Brodie (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, while I respect the reasoning behind the proposed deletion of Vafaei’s page, I believe the sources cited provide independent and impartial information. I see that he has been featured in many Turkish and global sources. Yashar Vafaei’s work, particularly his contributions in sustainable investment and economic development, holds significant value for society. The sources are not for promotional purposes but rather drawn from credible global sources that illustrate his impact in the business world and beyond. If there are sections that seem biased, I would be happy to assist in making necessary adjustments. I recommend preserving the page to continue offering valuable information to the public. Youtuberhakankeles (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Youtuberhakankeles, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your contributing to the discussion. I was wondering if you happen to know this individual in a personal or professional context? TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @TheJoyfulTentmaker, thank you for reaching out and for the warm welcome. Yes, I do know Yashar Vafaei and am familiar with his work. I’m here to contribute to this discussion to ensure that the article remains neutral and informative, following Wikipedia’s guidelines. I understand the importance of unbiased representation and would be happy to make any necessary edits to keep the content aligned with Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you for your guidance and feedback! Youtuberhakankeles (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - based on the headlines alone, it would appear that the best of the sources are about the company, not the person. I would not oppose an appropriate redirect. Bearian (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actions in support of Azerbaijan in Iran (2020)

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A poorly sourced, heavily POVish, irredentist, COI looking, non-notable article, basically meant to portray Armenia, the Republic of Artsakh and Iran as the "big bad", a common rhetoric spewed by the Aliyev-ruled regime in Azerbaijan (see Azerbaijani nationalism, Anti-Iranian sentiment in Azerbaijan, Anti-Armenian sentiment in Azerbaijan, all well sourced and which go into more depth). Refers the Republic of Artsakh as a "separatist regime in Karabakh", not even referring to it by name [5], not very neutral.

Poor sources include Brenda Shaffer, under Aliyevs paycheck [6], the racist and irredentist GünAz TV [7], and more poor websites, the majority written in Azerbaijani. Uses the irredentist term "Southern Azerbaijan(is)" as well [8]. If this is so notable, I'm sure high-quality WP:RS in English can be found about this, but there isn't. The Azerbaijani, Russian and Turkish versions of this article was also written by the same person, who was amongst the many people mentioned in this pretty large COI thread about several Azerbaijani wiki users [9]. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete- per nomination. The article is filled with bias and unscholarly sources. Not to mention the major WP:UNDUE, WP:BALANCE, and WP:PROPORTION violations. Archives908 (talk) 19:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Unfortunately, there is bias against this article I wrote about the actions of a regime that disregards human rights. I kindly ask as many people as possible to participate in the voting and to familiarize themselves with the facts I will present. Additionally, I request you to review the article yourself and know that I have not yet fully finalized it.

I am writing sequentially regarding the individual's comments about the article.

The article is about the protests that took place in Iran in 2020. Hundreds of news articles have been prepared in various languages (including Persian and Armenian) about those detained during these protests. Books have been written, and research papers have been published. Amnesty International has expressed its concern regarding those detained. Several protests have taken place on different dates in more than one Iranian city. Hundreds of people have been beaten and persecuted. Elderly people, women, children, and even disabled individuals have been beaten and insulted during these protests. The person suggesting the deletion of the article refers to it as a "non-notable article." I can only express my regret toward this request.
Contrary to what the individual claims, nothing has been written against Armenia in the article. On the contrary, even official Armenian websites have been utilized.
Regarding the topic of the "separatist regime in Karabakh," regardless of how you write its name in the article, that territory is recognized as part of Azerbaijan, and there are four UN resolutions regarding its occupation. So how should a regime established in an actually occupied territory be named? Moreover, I have only written the expression in that section. In another part of the article, I referred to that entity as the "so-called Nagorno-Karabakh Republic." Therefore, you can mention that entity in whatever way you wish in the article. It does not affect the subject or essence of this article.
There is also no problem regarding "Brenda Shaffer" and "Günaz". If you do not accept those references, you can delete them.
It is very interesting that for some reason you are trying to inflate the references to "Günaz", which were used only twice in an overall article with 246 references, to make the entire article appear weaker. Those references also confirm the same fact. You can delete them as well.
Regarding the expression "Southern Azerbaijan(is)," that region has been referred to in several historical sources and books related to dialects, territory, and population as "South Azerbaijan" or "Iranian Azerbaijan." It does not matter to me whether people living there are called "southern Azerbaijanis" or "Iranian Azerbaijanis." As far as I can see, you have made corrections related to this in the article. Thank you for your efforts.
Other users who will vote should know that a total of 246 references in five different languages have been used in the article. The references include reports from Radio Free Europe, BBC, DW, Iranwire, Voice of America, and reports from the U.S. State Department and Amnesty International. I do not understand what other "reliable sources" the individual wants.
There are dozens of video facts, photos, and reports related to these events. You can familiarize yourself with them through external links.

The facts I presented show how biased this individual is towards the topic. I hope the community makes a correct decision. If you need any further assistance or modifications, feel free to ask! --Rəcəb Yaxşı (talk) 08:30, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just that you even used the racist and irredentist Gunaz says more than enough about you and this article, whether you used it 1 or 10 times. I find it rich that you accuse me of being "biased", when your article reads like a Aliyev tabloid. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really do not understand why you are showing such an aggressive attitude.

What is the difference between writing “Günaz” or “GünazTV”?

On the other hand, about Aliyev topic, there are not any statements or reactions neither at the government, nor president level. If there is no such statement then what’s the point of mentioning Aliyev?

Why didn’t you show any reactions toward other parts of my article? Do you have any other issues toward the references other than “Günaz”? Why don’t you talk about them? Rəcəb Yaxşı (talk) 13:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did, read up above. It also doesn't directly have to be government issued statements for it be in line with their rhetoric, that goes without saying. This article is taking a heavy pro-Aliyev stance - as you said yourself, others can review the article for themselves. Read also the policies that Archives908 posted. Meanwhile, I'll use the rest of my time to look more into the COI concerns that were brought up about you and the other users. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Keep, it looks like a notable phenomenon and it's not based just on Azerbaijani sources, Voice of America is used 34 times. It's true that Azerbaijani sources might be biased, so I would support trimming the article or balancing it if other sources do not support these claims. Alaexis_¿question? 22:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article is WP:UNDUE and is in breach of WP:NPOV. It includes a large list of subpar low quality sources and reads like a propaganda work. The article should be deleted. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 10:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for obvious WP:POV violations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.189.211.50 (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC) _{Non-EC users may not vote, per WP:GS/AA. Grandmaster 11:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)}.[reply]

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Relisting comment: Please note that while deletion can be used to address NPOV violations, it is only done in extreme cases where the article is unsalvageable. If the topic is notable, and POV or WP:UNDUE can be fixed by stubifying, then deletion is not the appropriate approach. Editors are encouraged to trim down the article to remove POV and UNDUE violations while this AfD is open, and discuss the notability of the topic based on sourcing, rather than reject the current content.
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Delete- While taking into consideration the relisting comment- the article is written with such a great deal of bias that it is hard to decipher fact from bias. Imo WP:TNT may be the only optimal solution here. Any WP:N content not riddled with bias can always be merged into Azerbaijan–Iran relations. Archives908 (talk) 23:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you support a selective merger with Azerbaijan–Iran relations, then? It's not clear from your !vote. Alternatives to deletion, if possible, are almost always preferable. Owen× ☎ 23:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I still support deletion, I think a selective merger is a fair alternative to deletion. I don't think it's notable enough to warrant its own article imo. Whatever can be salvaged can be merged into Azerbaijan–Iran relations, while the biased pov can be TNT'd. Archives908 (talk) 22:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. Thank you very much, Owen×.

I would like to reiterate that the person who nominated the article for deletion is biased against the article and its subject, trying to protect the interests of a regime that persecutes, kills, and has imprisoned people for years in a Sharia state. Therefore, I feel regret.

~~Let’s move on to the article.~~ The events described in the article are real. People have fought for days and months, resulting in arrests, beatings, and persecution. Many have been subjected to insults in front of their relatives and family members, and have received lashings to humiliate them. These facts have been confirmed by reputable news sites such as "Voice of America," "Radio Free Europe," "BBC," and by international organizations like "Amnesty International" and the U.S. Department of State.

The user who nominated the article for deletion is unhappy because I referenced a certain organization’s site only twice, despite the fact that the article has a total of 246 citations. The overwhelming majority of those citations are from the reputable sites and organizations I mentioned above.~~Even if the user insists on removing those 2 citations, I would not object, yet they remain dissatisfied for some reason.~~

The user also claims that the phrase "Southern Azerbaijan(is)" is inappropriate. At the same time, I have no objection to "Iranian Azerbaijanis" being used. In fact, I have considered this in the later sections of the article as well.~~Yet the user is still not satisfied. Why?~~

Furthermore, the individual is also upset about my translations of the articles into other languages. I have translated many of the articles I have written into various languages that I know, and I enjoy doing so. This not only enhances my foreign language skills but also supports the Wikipedia movement.~~Why does this activity bother this user?~~

Later, the user claims that this article reflects the position of Aliyev. I would like to reiterate to other users that neither Aliyev nor any other members of the Azerbaijani government have made any statements, opinions, or speeches on this topic. Naturally, there is no discussion of this in the article either. Anyone who claims otherwise should provide their evidence.

For some reason, this user seems to be trying to hide the actions of the repressive mullah regime, tarnishing the article with unrelated topics, exaggerating minor errors, and disregarding reputable sources and statements, including reports. I hope the community makes the right decision. It is not acceptable to delete such an extensive article and important events due to just one or two minor errors.--Rəcəb Yaxşı (talk) 07:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are only allowed one bolded !vote per discussion. Also, casting aspersions on other participants will not sway the decision your way. Please stick to policy- and guideline-based arguments about the topic and sourcing. Owen× ☎ 11:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is just WP:REHASH of your earlier comment with a even bigger sprinkle of WP:ASPERSIONS. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. These events received coverage in the international media. For example, in Deutsche Welle, RFE/RL, Al Jazeera, so the notability is obvious. NPOV concerns are not the reason to delete the article, they can be addressed by improving it. Grandmaster 11:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do not think notability is an issue. A quick glance at the article shows it draws heavily on reliable sources, such as Voice of America, BBC and Radio Liberty/Radio Free Europe. The event is definitely well covered. Branding the text as "Aliyev-ruled regime propaganda" is not very reasonable given that a great deal of the Azerbaijani sources cited in the article actually represent Azerbaijani opposition (Meydan, Musavat). Some references probably do need double checking, but notability is definitely not an issue. I am also not sure when "irredentism" became an argument in favour of deleting an article on Wikipedia, considering that Republic of Artsakh, the very article the nominator refers to in their deletion rationale, essentially conveys an irredentist concept. Parishan (talk) 02:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject of the article is a notable, there are many reliable sources mentioned by other users.--Nicat49 (talk) 20:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the comments above. With over 200 citations, the article is significantly backed by both local and international coverage — Toghrul R (t) 13:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I oppose the deletion of this article, as it meets the notability and reliability standards outlined by Wikipedia policies. The subject has been covered by multiple reputable international sources that are demonstrably neutral and independent. These sources substantiate the significance of the topic, and there is no indication of undue bias in their coverage. In my view, the article aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines on verifiability and neutrality.--Qızılbaş (talk) 19:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
there is no indication of undue bias in their coverage. In my view, the article aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines on verifiability and neutrality

I mean, that's blatantly false. Are we reading the same article? [10] HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iran Proposed deletions

Standardized Patient (via WP:PROD on 29 January 2024)

Iraq

Kurdistan Islamic Relations Movement

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Article about a very small political party that claims a few thousand members and has failed to get anyone elected to anything, securing 0.08% of the vote. Does not pass WP:NCORP. Mccapra (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Incomplete text, add more headlines, history, steps of the movement, UzbukUdash (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no point in draftifying an article on a non-notable topic, because no amount of editing will make it ready for mainspace. The issue isn’t the lack of headlines or detail. Quite the reverse - as it stands there is a lot of detail about a non-notable topic. Mccapra (talk) 07:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't get your pettyness, really. There is no clear rule on Wikipedia on the notability of political parties and there are literally countless examples of articles for parties of this extent on the encyclopedia, as I already argued on your talk page (but which you simply ignored; thanks for the "respectfulness" by the way). Anyways, if you can find a majority which supports the deletion of this article, I'd suggest making the text a subsection of the Kurdistan Islamic Movement, the party which the Kurdistan Islamic Relations Movement split from.--Ermanarich (talk) 12:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I responded politely to your message on my talk page. I just don't agree with you. Mccapra (talk) 13:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't address any of my points. There are no rules on Wikipedia about when a party is notable or not. And you didn't go after any of the other examples of parties that are as small as this one I showed you as an example to get them deleted either. So what really is your point here? -- Ermanarich (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uşşaki

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Tagged uncited for years but hard to find sources as apparently not the same as https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C5%9F%C5%9Faki_Tarikat%C4%B1 The source on the Turkish article seems like it might be a wiki or somesuch so perhaps not reliable? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I see various books in English covering this significantly; also two reliable references on the corresponding article in French. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank What books in English please? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some to the page.

By the way, you have currently opened 27 Afds regarding Turkey-related articles. It is an extremely (and in my view exceedingly) high number for one nominator, especially concerning one topic, and it happens to be very challenging for interested users to find sources and even !vote. I understand you take to Afds pages that are unsourced but, precisely, it takes a lot of time to find sources. At the very least, I am inviting you to kindly slow down your nominations; personally, I would even suggest that you stop further nominations until the present ones are closed. Thank you very much. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep plenty of Turkish sources found but as Mushy Yank says above it’s quite a task to plough through Turkish books online to update the article. Mccapra (talk) 16:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Israel

2023–2024 Gaza Strip preterm births

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This seems to be an overly specific and redundant article given the Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present) which already exists and provides key context needed to cover this topic. Very limited coverage on this singular issue as a standalone topic exists with such coverage normally being mentioned in passing as part of the greater crisis. Originalcola (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should be deleted as WP:G5; only significant contributions are from two sockpuppets. BilledMammal (talk) 05:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep passes WP:GNG with flying colours. If anything, it should be expanded using the many RS that cover the subject. M.Bitton (talk) 13:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - easily passes GNG, beyond that Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present) sits at 89 kB and 14,335 words of readable prose, making it WP:TOOBIG to absorb all this material and this an appropriate WP:SPINOFF for size reasons. And no, this does not qualify for G5, as I myself have a non-trivial edit there. Last I checked I am not a sock of a banned user. nableezy - 18:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tararam

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Mostly unreferenced topic, with unclear notability. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Hebrew Wikipedia article has 27 references. Left guide (talk) 05:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - This is not "mostly unreferenced," , furthermore, it should be noted that notability is not related to the current state of the article. As Left Guide noted, the Hebrew article has plenty of sources. The topic meets the threshold of notability. Whizkin (talk) 06:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian Authority–West Bank militias conflict

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An article that has no connection to reality. There is no conflict as the author of the article wants to describe. In every country there are small groups that challenge the ruling authority. This does not mean that there is a conflict that requires writing an article and publishing it in an encyclopedia. EpicAdventurer (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There's ample sourcing about the resurgence of militias in the West Bank and their conflict with the Palestinian Authority. The article needs work and perhaps a new title, but the topic is clearly notable and a topic discussed in WP:RS. [11] [12] [13] [14][15] [16] [17] Longhornsg (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yeah this, basically; there's enough sources that describe what is clearly an inter-Palestinian conflict, and not just sporadic, unrelated clashes. As for the title, it's provisional. Evaporation123 (talk) 01:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. "Has no connection to reality" is not a valid deletion reason, as long as reliable sources describe it this way.Whizkin (talk) 06:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikhail Levit

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An Israeli photographer. It doesn't seem particularly significant.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:TNT. I started to copy edit but gave up. What a mess. If you can fix it, ping me. Bearian (talk) 03:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not notable. Whizkin (talk) 06:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilan Lukatch

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BLP of a journalist that seems to me to lack support from in depth coverage in independent sources. Appears borderline so bringing here for consensus. Mccapra (talk) 19:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There are 10 independent sources in the Hebrew article, which, together, seem sufficient to establish notability. Whizkin (talk) 11:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but the ten sources in Hebrew are absolutely dire:

1. Is a piece by him, not independent coverage of him

2. Is a passing mention of him in a band he played in in 1988

3. Doesn’t mention him

4. Passing mention in a brief listing

5. Passing mention

6. Doesn’t mention him

7. Doesn’t mention him

8. Interview with him (his first interview ever)

9. Decent, if rather brief, third party source

10. No longer accessible but looks decent.

That’s not enough to build a stand alone bio article on and it does look like the original creator of the Hebrew article was desperately scraping around for any mention they could find. Mccapra (talk) 13:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that those sources are sub-optimal. Whizkin (talk) 18:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. OR biography of a professional at work. The Hebrew article is refbombed. Our article is shorter, so there are less references, yet what we have is equally a mixed bag. gidonb (talk) 03:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan

Kuwait

Mohamed Al-Hamar

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Declined prod. Could not find any sources in google news and google books. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. I would reconsider if there is anything in Arabic. LibStar (talk) 05:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lebanon

Alexander Khateeb

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Fails WP:BIO, has no notable achievements under WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT, only two sources and both are deadlinks. MSportWiki (talk) 10:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agree, clearly and signally fails WP:GNG, Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maronite flag

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This article is most likely based on original research. There are no reliable sources about a distinct "Maronite flag." The white flag with a cedar is simply an earlier version of the Flag of Lebanon. Syphax98 (talk) 12:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The page has multiple sources. Request is just being done by user who does negationist edits to anything Maronite. [18] Red Phoenician (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, user failed to notify me of the proposal. Red Phoenician (talk) 01:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources don't talk about a distinct "Maronite flag". --Syphax98 (talk) 10:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And please just talk about the sources and don't try to label me. I could do the same thing by pointing out the nature of your contributions (we are discussing it here), which are clearly associated with ethnonationalist ideas, deprecated here on Wikipedia. I am active on the Italian-language Wikipedia, not here. Here on the English-language Wikipedia I am limiting myself to these topics, because I was surprised by how much certain users have imposed certain clearly POV ideas in recent years. --Syphax98 (talk) 11:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three of the sources distinctly talk about a Maronite flag. Please review all the sources before making claims. Red Phoenician (talk) 02:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The crwflags website couldn't be considered a reliable source. The Lebanese Armed Forces website does not refer to any "Maronite flag" and calls this version "العلم اللبناني في الفترة الانتقالية (1918-1920)" ("The Lebanese flag in the transitional period (1918-1920)"). The Minbladeh website (also non reliable anyway) makes no reference to a "Maronite flag" and defines this as the "Flag of the region of Lebanon after the fall of the Ottoman Empire (1918-1920)". Some sources refer to the fact that this version was used widely by the Maronite community (which was the main religious community in favor of the formation of an independent Lebanon"), but sources rarely refer to it as the "Maronite flag". The article itself refers to the fact that this flag was designed by Shukri El Khoury and Naoum Labaki, active in the Mahjar (an Arab cultural association); the activity of these two intellectuals was never aimed at creating a separate Maronite identity, but rather an Arab and Lebanese identity that transcended religious boundaries. --Syphax98 (talk) 14:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ricardo A. Haila

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The draft for this already exists, the sources are low-quality, and it failed a WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the feedback. I understand the importance of quality sources and the need for thorough research. I am working on improving the article and will focus on providing more reliable and high-quality sources to support the claims. The music and performances of artists like Ricardo A. Haila represent a unique blend of Middle Eastern and contemporary percussion styles, contributing to the diversity and richness of the musical landscape. Ritaknazarian (talk) 20:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for lacking any reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 04:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete larger part of the subject is completely unsourced and out of 4 references listed, only 1 look like a potential with others being interviews and gist blogs. Tesleemah (talk) 06:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this young musician is not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO. The sources cited so far are interviews, plus his name mentioned in passing in a Paris gig announcement. Searching for his name in English and Arabic only turned up more of the same, including the "proud to be participating" interview already cited, which has been posted to many sites. Wikishovel (talk) 09:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Had to remove a bunch of promotional stuff while browsing earlier, wasn't convinced that it met notability at all, but gave it the benefit of the doubt. But now that this has been brought to AfD, can confidently cast my delete vote. Procyon117 (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I did not find any significant coverage about the subject. SATavr (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)SATavr[reply]

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April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)

Oman

Palestine

2023–2024 Gaza Strip preterm births

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This seems to be an overly specific and redundant article given the Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present) which already exists and provides key context needed to cover this topic. Very limited coverage on this singular issue as a standalone topic exists with such coverage normally being mentioned in passing as part of the greater crisis. Originalcola (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should be deleted as WP:G5; only significant contributions are from two sockpuppets. BilledMammal (talk) 05:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep passes WP:GNG with flying colours. If anything, it should be expanded using the many RS that cover the subject. M.Bitton (talk) 13:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - easily passes GNG, beyond that Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present) sits at 89 kB and 14,335 words of readable prose, making it WP:TOOBIG to absorb all this material and this an appropriate WP:SPINOFF for size reasons. And no, this does not qualify for G5, as I myself have a non-trivial edit there. Last I checked I am not a sock of a banned user. nableezy - 18:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian Authority–West Bank militias conflict

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An article that has no connection to reality. There is no conflict as the author of the article wants to describe. In every country there are small groups that challenge the ruling authority. This does not mean that there is a conflict that requires writing an article and publishing it in an encyclopedia. EpicAdventurer (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There's ample sourcing about the resurgence of militias in the West Bank and their conflict with the Palestinian Authority. The article needs work and perhaps a new title, but the topic is clearly notable and a topic discussed in WP:RS. [19] [20] [21] [22][23] [24] [25] Longhornsg (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yeah this, basically; there's enough sources that describe what is clearly an inter-Palestinian conflict, and not just sporadic, unrelated clashes. As for the title, it's provisional. Evaporation123 (talk) 01:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. "Has no connection to reality" is not a valid deletion reason, as long as reliable sources describe it this way.Whizkin (talk) 06:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saoud Al-Nuaimi

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Had only a very brief career and no evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Best that I can find in Arabic is FilGoal, which is just a database source. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, only 308 playing minutes confirmed by Soccerway. Geschichte (talk) 17:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Mohamed (footballer, born 2002)

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Lacks sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Only played 14 matches in the Qatari league. Article looks very similar to those created by sockpuppet abuser Mhsohaib (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Geschichte (talk) 09:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabia

AfD debates

Mohammed Awaji

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Deleted before. No indication of meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Created by notorious sockpuppet user and block evader. Geschichte (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ersel Göral

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BLP of a successful businessman who has had a career in airport management. Nothing here indicates notability. A draft also exists. Mccapra (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There seems to be some coverage in the Turkish media, sufficiently spread out in time, and can be considered above the WP:SIGCOV threshold: [26], [27], [28], [29], [30] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Contra TheJoyfulTentmaker, these sources are routine coverage (often press release-based) of hiring or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of significant coverage of an airport where he works. I don't see any evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Syria

Balkees Jarrah

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BLP of a human rights lawyer sourced mainly to statements she has made, comments she has offered and interviews she has recorded. Lacks independent in-depth coverage. Mccapra (talk) 05:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I respectfully disagree. This individual has received significant independent coverage, in my view. Firecat93 (talk) 15:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - these is literally zero coverage in reliable sources about her. Comments from the peanut gallery and advocacy outside of a courtroom are not significant coverage of a BLP. Passing mentions aren’t either. Bearian (talk) 09:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkey

Kayraktepe Dam

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Seems to be doubt about whether this will actually be built https://www.silifkegazetesi.net/2024/10/03/devletin-bosa-giden-milyonlari-ve-yatirimlari-ne-olacak/

At the moment I don’t think it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 16:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aksu Dam

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I cannot find enough recent sources to show it notable. There are other rivers with the same name. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Kerh (1516)

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Challenged draftification. I can’t find the necessary sources to verify and establish the subject’s notability. The subject currently fails to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if you can find sources. A rewrite may also be needed per WP:NPOV. GrabUp - Talk 09:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Unfortunately all of Hasanreels's created articles are like this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete likely hoax created by blocked sockpuppet, Mccapra (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of aircraft of Turkey during World War II

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As Turkey hardly did anything during WW2 I don’t think this is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 17:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. "Equipment of X at Y time period" lists are rarely notable, and I don't believe this rises to the standard. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Okay, so the connection between Turkey, military aircraft, and WWII isn't as out there as you might think. But it's a small paragraph in a "Turkey in World War II article", not an original research-ey This shows how the Turkish Air Force would have been equipped throughout World War II list based off passing mentions in hobbyest websites listing countries that various models of planes were shipped to. The article cites one self-published source [31], which does actually deal with airplanes in Turkey during WWII. Instead, it deals with planes preserved in Turkey during World War II. And it makes it clear that this is not a subject of academic study, because the author thanks the readers for helping him crowd-source the list. It also contains an unattributed copy of part of our Military history of Turkey article, so it appears to technically be a copyright violation too. My WP:BEFORE has turned up nothing promising, but I do have to concede that my search is skewed by results related to the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

I could see an advantage of a "list of Turkish military airplanes" by decade style of list, for more directory-style purposes. if anybody feels like making one, and thinks this article would be useful for that, then the closer/deletion review can retroactively put me down as a merge. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree with the nom. Not important enough. Orientls (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish mafia

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The article sources don't verify that a "Kurdish mafia" exists. Yes, across history some Kurds have been involved in organized crime but the article wrongly suggests that there is a connection between these criminal groups that does not exist in the cited sources (or others I can find). (t · c) buidhe 17:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep the term is readily found even in the US govt. reports. Today the term "mafia" has become generalized to denote any larger-scale organized crime, nit necessarily tightly knit. --Altenmann >talk 17:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because there is a term in use, does not mean there is an encyclopedic topic. What this article does is gather together crimes whose only commonality is (not sources that connect them—most of the sources don't mention "Kurdish mafia" at all, and would need to be removed in any case per wp:nor), but the fact of being committed by people of the same ethnic group. If this were permissible encyclopedically, we would be like Breitbart and have an article on "black crime" where various offenses committed by African Americans are listed. Instead, this term redirects appropriately to Race and crime in the United States, which is an encyclopedic topic. (t · c) buidhe 02:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe So comparing with the beginning of Turkish mafia, do you think that if Kurdistan existed as a country this topic would be encyclopedic? Chidgk1 (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think "Organized crime in Turkey" is probably a better subject for the article. (t · c) buidhe 22:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: an easy Google search reveals that dozens of sources mention the Kurdish mafia. Perhaps the presence of some books (cites) in the relevant article may not be correct, but in the end, there are many quotations that directly and/or indirectly address this issue. I am in favour of keeping the article, provided that content unrelated to the 'Kurdish mafia' is removed. Acratopotes (talk) 11:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I feel like someone wrote this just to say that Kemalists and the Iranian Pahlavi regime civilized the "criminal Kurds." The article is quite disrespectful to the diversity of Kurdish history, which included both nomadic and settled lifestyles. Even if many sources mention the Kurdish mafia, that alone should not justify keeping this article. We should remove bad articles, and this one, from beginning to end, is poorly written. Even when I reviewed some of the sources, it's clear that there is cherry-picking in them.

185.187.78.251 (talk) 15:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I emphasise this statement again:

I am in favour of keeping the article, provided that content unrelated to the 'Kurdish mafia' is removed.

Acratopotes (talk) 19:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A legitimate subject, just as most other pages in Category:Organized crime by ethnicity. It is sourced, and a lot more can be retrieved by Google searches (see above). Not a disrespect to any culture. My very best wishes (talk) 18:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ersel Göral

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BLP of a successful businessman who has had a career in airport management. Nothing here indicates notability. A draft also exists. Mccapra (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There seems to be some coverage in the Turkish media, sufficiently spread out in time, and can be considered above the WP:SIGCOV threshold: [32], [33], [34], [35], [36] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Contra TheJoyfulTentmaker, these sources are routine coverage (often press release-based) of hiring or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of significant coverage of an airport where he works. I don't see any evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yashar Vafaei Mamaghani

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Does not meet WP:GNG. All of the sources (Turkish is my mother-tongue, so I examined all of them.) are promotional. The page needs to be deleted. Kadı Message 21:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I agree with the nomination rationale. The references are dated closely together, are similarly worded, and do not seem to reflect independent journalism. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Seems to satisfy WP:GNG, seen coverage in numerous sources. Some recent ones do seem to be around the same timeframe but from what I can see is from reputable and acceptable news websites. There seems to be older articles as well which aren't necessarily referenced in the article, but still demonstrate notability. Rob. H. Brodie (talk) 07:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rob. H. Brodie, please read this policy. Promotional content is not allowed on Wikimedia projects. Best, Kadı Message 13:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I have read and I don't find this applicable to me especially on the 'paid contribution'. If there are promotional texts in the article I'm happy to go and correct it. I'm even happy to add things that would be deemed negative to the subject if that's important and there are sources from it. But from what I have gathered and seen I don't think the article should be deleted on the basis provided above. It is in the best interest of Wikipedia to maintain articles that have acceptable sources, which I am confident this article has. Best Rob. H. Brodie (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, while I respect the reasoning behind the proposed deletion of Vafaei’s page, I believe the sources cited provide independent and impartial information. I see that he has been featured in many Turkish and global sources. Yashar Vafaei’s work, particularly his contributions in sustainable investment and economic development, holds significant value for society. The sources are not for promotional purposes but rather drawn from credible global sources that illustrate his impact in the business world and beyond. If there are sections that seem biased, I would be happy to assist in making necessary adjustments. I recommend preserving the page to continue offering valuable information to the public. Youtuberhakankeles (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Youtuberhakankeles, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your contributing to the discussion. I was wondering if you happen to know this individual in a personal or professional context? TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @TheJoyfulTentmaker, thank you for reaching out and for the warm welcome. Yes, I do know Yashar Vafaei and am familiar with his work. I’m here to contribute to this discussion to ensure that the article remains neutral and informative, following Wikipedia’s guidelines. I understand the importance of unbiased representation and would be happy to make any necessary edits to keep the content aligned with Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you for your guidance and feedback! Youtuberhakankeles (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - based on the headlines alone, it would appear that the best of the sources are about the company, not the person. I would not oppose an appropriate redirect. Bearian (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Electoral cycle of Turkey

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If this was cited I would suggest merging it into elections in Turkey but it has been tagged uncited for years maybe it should just be deleted as I think it is important for electoral info here to be correct in order to support the democratic process Chidgk1 (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge the unstated content to Elections in Turkey if reliable sources are found, if not, Redirect to Elections in Turkey. Completely unsourced, and I don't see the need for a separate page as most of the content is described in Elections in Turkey. Also, this page is the only "electoral cycle" page on the wiki, although the term is recognized in the Cambridge Dictionary. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Elections in Turkey. Mccapra (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My first comment would be Keep as the article gives a good visual timeline for the elections. If not, then the first section (Elections) can be merged with Elections in Turkey. The second section (Electoral cycle since 1923) gives a timeline view for the elections, which is visually nice to have in an article. We can change the second section to a Template like "Template:Turkish elections timeline", and include this template in the Elections in Turkey article with initially collapsed state. Joseph (talk) 20:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above, but Elections in Turkey#Schedule seems like a better target because it's more specific. I would not be opposed to merging any content that can be sourced. McYeee (talk) 22:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the similar article Electoral system of Turkey. Chidgk1, maybe you should read, WP:NEXIST because i feel you confuse unsourcing articles with the no existence of sources. LefterDalaka (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Şifa University

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I can see from the sources on the Turkish article that it existed. Are universities automatically notable? I guess not as it has been tagged as possibly not notable for years. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - not automatically notable, but any public university is likely to be notable. This one, however, appears to be new, small and private. See [37]. As such, I would have thought it should pass WP:NORG to be notable. I have added it to the companies delsort. At this stage I have no view on whether it is notable or not. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: I found some sources (which appear to be secondary) see 1, 2 and 3. The article needs some improvement in general, but I don't think it should be deleted. SirBrahms (talk) 09:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page is 12 years old and has had no active editing. Draftify looks like backdoor deletion in this case. But the sources you have found are interesting. The first is a primary source: a Ph.D. thesis. Despite being a primary source, it could contain secondary information about the university, and provide something to write an article from, so I would not rule it out just for being apparently primary. The second source is a listing. That is not SIGCOV, definitely not at CORPDEPTH, and independence is questionable. The third source is the most important though. That tells us that the university was seized and closed down in 2016 following a failed military coup (it was an asset of those involved). The source is primary in that it is a news report, but presents a bit of a quandary. It shows that, on the one hand, the university no longer exists and only existed for six years. Based on that, it is unlikely this ever reached notability. On the other hand, the very event that caused it to close would appear to make something notable. I am leaning towards merge to somewhere, if there is a suitable target regarding the coup. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments! It may be viable to merge it into Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt (especially considering it hasn't had any active editing in so long (a thing I regrettably forgot to check)). Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd move to merge if it made sense. How would that look though? There were 15 universities closed in the purge, and none are currently named. Should they be listed? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say yes. I'm imagining something like this:
University one, Place, Exact reason for closure (if applicable)

etc.

What do you think? Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we have the exact reason for each, sure. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Further to my above comment, according to this page Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt, this was one of 15 universities shut down in the purges following the coup. It seems undue to add this one to that page. Yet if it is not even notable for a mention there, it is not notable for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uşşaki

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Tagged uncited for years but hard to find sources as apparently not the same as https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C5%9F%C5%9Faki_Tarikat%C4%B1 The source on the Turkish article seems like it might be a wiki or somesuch so perhaps not reliable? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I see various books in English covering this significantly; also two reliable references on the corresponding article in French. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank What books in English please? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some to the page.

By the way, you have currently opened 27 Afds regarding Turkey-related articles. It is an extremely (and in my view exceedingly) high number for one nominator, especially concerning one topic, and it happens to be very challenging for interested users to find sources and even !vote. I understand you take to Afds pages that are unsourced but, precisely, it takes a lot of time to find sources. At the very least, I am inviting you to kindly slow down your nominations; personally, I would even suggest that you stop further nominations until the present ones are closed. Thank you very much. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep plenty of Turkish sources found but as Mushy Yank says above it’s quite a task to plough through Turkish books online to update the article. Mccapra (talk) 16:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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