Talk:Heshen

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Okay. The consort make-up theory (excuse the pun) is quite interesting, and one of a few ideas behind Heshen's rise to power. I'm doubting it's credibility more and more, however. These folktales and myths spread like wildfire in Imperial China. Some idiot off the streets of Beijing could defame a prince with enough creativity. Please check into this or it will be deleted. Colipon+(T) 04:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 August 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move (All the IP votes are by the nominator, per this Sockpuppet report), therefore, not moved. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heshen → Niohuru Heshen – This article mainly talks about Niohuru Heshen, a minister favorited by Qianlong Emperor in Qing dynasty. However, the original title of this article uses Pinyin "Heshen", which can also mean the god of river in Chinese, such as Hebo, the god of the Yellow River, and Xiangshuishen, the goddesses of the Xiang River, includes Ehuang and Nüying. In order to distinguish from each other, I think it is a good idea to change this article's title to "Niohuru Heshen". 111.194.18.194 (talk) 09:05, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Further, it does not seem that "Heshen" is used at all in any part of the other mentioned articles, so any confusion issue would not be justified. Impru20^talk 15:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just said that "the original title of this article uses Pinyin 'Heshen', which can also mean the god of river in Chinese. In order to distinguish from each other, I think it is a good idea to change this article's title to 'Niohuru Heshen'." You live in Spain now, and you command English and Spanish well, but you can't command Chinese. Thus you can't know what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.194.18.194 (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Reason mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.121.173.87 (talk) 06:24, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Impru20^talk 17:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Both the IP that introduced this request and this IP are located in the same city and began editing the day of these requests, with edits only pertaining to a single interconnected set of move discussions. The IP here also filed a similar move request with identical editing idiosyncrasies (including adding the new request to the top of the talk page instead of the bottom) that may indicate a connection between the user(s) of these IP addresses. Dekimasuよ! 15:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Reason mentioned above. In addition, what do you think about the proposal put forward by 111.194.18.194, Dekimasu? You should focus on the page-moved proposal here, instead of the irrelevant behaviour of 111.194.18.194. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Impru20^talk 17:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, also noting that this third IP account shares the same characteristics as pointed out by Dekimasu above. Impru20^talk 14:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To Impru20: I am innocent. I just want to back to the page-moved proposal itself, instead of talking about others so long to disturb this discussion. I know you oppose the proposal, but you shouldn't framed me without any evidence. If you continue to framed me, I can also report you to the administrators.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 15:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose I thank the proposer for a thoughtful suggestion, but Wikipedia policy and longstanding practice require that we follow the policies mentioned above, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSISTENCY. Few, if any, of our readers would recognize this name. ch (talk) 15:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This proposal is substantively different from the other IP proposals. I don't think that the clan name "Niohuru" needs to be part of the title, either as a proper/common name, or for disambiguation. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the proposal put forward by 111.194.18.194 carefully. The original title of this article uses Pinyin 'Heshen', which can also mean the god of river in Chinese. In addition, there is an article named Menshen, which mainly talks about the god of door in Chinese, in Wikipedia. In order to distinguish from the Qing-dynasty minister and the god of river in Chinese, whose name is same as "Heshen" in Pinyin, I support the page-moved proposal. Finally but not the least, the most number of people in the world have their family names and given names respectively, so it is proper to add the family name "Niohuru" to this article's title.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 11:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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