Talk:Snowboarding

Starting

I moved the duplicate article at snow boarding to here (in stead of the other way round), since it also wrote snowboarding in the text. Jeronimo 00:21 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

history?

How about a section on the history of the sport? I'm not familiar with details but from memory and some googling here is a start:

Pioneers

• Sherman Poppin's - Snurfer
• Dimitrije Milovich - Winterstick
• Jake Burton Carpenter - Burton Snowboards
• Bob Webber-Yellow banana

Evolution and growth

• early snowboard designs...
• Snowboarders being banned some most ski resorts
• snowboarder culture

- Redjar 19:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The "Snurfer: was invented in 1965 by Sherm Poppin when he attached two skiis together, tied a rope to the front and gave it to his daughter to play with in the Muskegon, Michigan snow. He went to the local Brunswick company and got them to produce the boards, and his wife gave it the name. The first ones were yellow with large, industrial grade staples that stuck up far enough to get a good grip with your snowmobile boots, at least until you caked so much snow onto them that your feet slid off. The rope was yellow, the bottom was smooth and there was no rudder. You rubbed ski wax onto the wood, but it made little difference. They were originally marketed to be used on the Muskegon sand dunes in both the winter and the summer. Having tried that as a kid, I can report that the sand stuck to the wax, and if you got any momentum going down the biggest of the three sugar bowl hills, the snurfer soon grabbed hold of the sand and threw you bodily and usually face first into the hot sand. After a few years, Brunswick introduced the Pro Snurfer model which had a laminated wood design, and small white plastic spikes on the top which afforded slightly better traction. The rope was white. This model included a 5" metal rudder that extended out of the center contoured bottom surface about a half inch. By the mid seventies, Muskegon Community College sponsored an annual "World Wide Snurfer Competition" on a remote hill behind the Muskegon landmark "Blockhouse." If you got there early enough you parked in the Blockhouse parking lot and hiked back to the site. They put up a plastic banner and someone carried a folding table all the way out there, at which you could sign up and get your number - which you pinned to your cool 1970's snow vest. You then proceeded to practice on the hill with fifty or so other early enthusiasts. By the time the competition began at 9:00, the hill was a sheet of sheer ice. To do well, you had to stand up all the way to the bottom of the hill - which had two plateaus in it. Usually people wipped out after the second little plateau. The guys who won perfected a sort of push off with one foot while not slipping off the back foot and then holding it steady and straight on the ice. I was in that competition the year Burton showed up with his board. We snurfer elitists thought he was a major pain in the a**, and an enteloper and not a snurfer at all. His presence threw a real curve ball into the competition, who ultimately decided to create a separate Burton board division, so we purists could continue to compete as true snurfers and not be bothered by him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.163.137.254 (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Terms used in snowboarding?

It would be perhaps helpful if someone could write a section or two about snowboard terms like regular style, goofy style, fakie position et cetera.

Other specific snowboarding accessories like the leash (snowboard) or lockleash should be mentioned as well... Marcika 22:06, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think this would best be done in an external link (Dynaweb 00:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC))

not-so-good pictures

I suggest removing the two pictures of some guy carrying a snowboard from this article.. IMHO they are not useful at all: They do not depict any snowboarding technique, and the board itself is barely visible. Please comment, otherwise I am going to remove the pictures soon. -- Ravn 10:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

I second the removal of those crap pictures... There has to be some people around with some pics of some of the big free Style moves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acjohnso (talk • contribs) 14:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Both photographs show boarders "getting air". While these are entertaining, a shot of a rider actually in the snow relates more to the topic. Like this one of a nice heelside turn ... Toeside 13:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree the pictures are not the quality needed. You should add others that are more relivant if you are going to remove the originals! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.56.103 (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Leave the pictures...they are of amateurs and resemble what the typical snowboarder of basic competence might take. It makes the article more accessible to a general audience. Put up whatever 'cool action shot' you want, but keep these pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.245.156 (talk) 08:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I think that any pictures of snowboarders should picture proper safety equipment, or at least a helmet. Bs623 (talk) 18:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Grammar

I'm thinking about revising this entry as a whole. It doesn't read like an Encyclopedic entry, and has various grammatical errors.

--Alop 14:05, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Please do - this article needs a lot of work. A lot of it is written in a very conversational (and inconsistent) style, especially the technique section, which might not even belong in the entry at all. Kjl 20:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I added the entry about the first halfpipe competition at Soda Springs. It's fairly obscure but credit should be rendered where credit is due. (Avulturescohort (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC))

Equipment

The discussion of equipment duplicates a lot of information in the Snowboard article. Would it make more sense to merge that information and eliminate any duplication or redundancy? --Elkman 21:09, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and merged the discussion of equipment into Snowboard as I proposed. Most of the text from that article included the facts from this article, but I kept all of the relevant information. --Elkman 04:16, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Brands

The brands list seems completely random to me. Random in both the order (who put Tassle, Airblaster, Rome SDS, and Grenade Gloves above Burton?), and the members (e.g. it has small, random accessory manufacturers that make only gloves, hats or goggles, but not major/venerable snowboard manufacturers such as Sims, Winterstick, etc.). I made a token effort to put major board manufacturers up top and accessory brands at the bottom, but it's really hard to keep up with all the new brands that come up all the time. Feel free to correct it. Kjl 21:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Technique

The technique section is very conversationally written, and perhaps is not really in the scope of an encyclopedic entry anyways. Should this whole section be nuked? Proper technique, even for the basics, is widely varying depending on who you talk to. Should this article teach Swiss CERN style, AASI style, or something else? Rotation or counterrotation turns? There are external links to a couple of "how-to" web pages at the bottom, and people should really be learning how to ski and board from a certified instructor anyways, in my opinion... Kjl 04:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd agree that it's quite important for beginners to take lessons from a certified instructor. I have a book (The Snowboard Book: A Guide for All Boarders by Lowell Hart) that has an entire chapter on beginning snowboarding. There's no way that chapter can be covered in Wikipedia to a level that can be beneficial to a beginning snowboarder. I suppose I could try to summarize the steps involved in learning, as a way to give the prospective boarder a taste of what it's like, but the real instruction should be done in person. --Elkman 04:21, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I went ahead and yanked the entire technique section. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. I feel bad since there was clearly a lot of work put into it, but it wasn't comprehensive (e.g. it had information on how to do backflips but not, say, how to simply turn) and doesn't belong here anyways. It seems to me that there is room for a technique section, but that it should not actually include instructions, but instead highlight the differences between different snowboarding techniques, such as Swiss CERN style, French style, US AASI style, etc., but I don't know enough about them to write the article myself. Kjl 18:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree that there shouldn't be detailed instructions on how to snowboard. As a beginner, I wouldn't go by what a book or article has to say, I think it is smarter to go and get hands on training. I didn't get private lessons, but it still helped because I got the basics, and did pretty well for my first time. It is definitley not an easy sport, but it is so much fun, and worth the effort. On the other hand although I don't agree with having instructions, I do think there should at least be a description of the technique, so we beginners know what you are talking about. For example, "Swiss CERN style" I have no clue what that is. Anyways, if you are thinking about trying snowboarding, I definitely recommend it. LeslieZ — Preceding undated comment added 03:26, 23 February 2006

How about instead a section on training? I'd argue the section called "dry slope" be transmogrified into a such a TRAINING section. This wouldn't be a section on HOW TO but a section on techniques used by pros to train for competing.Take2la (talk) 19:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with a lot of what is being said here. As a snowboarder, reading an article that does not acknowledge the different styles just makes me think that it isn't well researched. Especially since what is being stated as a fact is not necessarily true across the board. i say scrap this section.155.31.162.149 (talk) 17:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Remove Brands/Videos/Famous Snowboarders

I'd like to suggest to remove the three sections above. The article is quite lengthy, and these lists are not useful to someone reading an encyclopedic article to learn about snowboarding. At the limit, they could be moved to articles of their own (List of..). As some snowboarders have got articles, I'd suggest to add them to a Category:Snowboard athlete or Category:Snowboarder and link to that category in this article. -- Ravn 12:56, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Falling over

Though I have read it in many snowboarding guide-books, I think the advice: "If falling forward, make your hands into fists and land on your knuckles" is ill-advised. It's unintuitive and a likely to result in broken fingers. The advice to wear well-fitting armour is sound, especially wrist-guards. After breaking a wrist and knocking myself unconcious (on separate occasions), I can't believe how stoopid I was to consider riding without at least wrist-guards and a helmet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.217.226.30 (talk) 13:59, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

All the more reason to nuke the whole technique section. There is no agreed-upon technique for instruction, and shouldn't be in an encyclopedic entry anyways. e.g. there are no piano lessons on wikipedia either. Kjl 17:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Looking at it again, I agree. All that is required is a suitable warning about the risk of injury, the benefits of armour and a suggestion that proper instruction is essential for most people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.217.226.30 (talk) 07:23, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I learned at the time that you should always crouch, when you fall. No matter the direction, it reduces your falling height and thus the risk of injury. Landing on the knuckles seems to me quite stupid (and only works well at low speed when you ride a ducky stance) - I'd rather try to roll or slide to catch the fall. Just my 2 cents -- Ravn 16:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd recommend landing on your fists only as opposed to landing on your palms (you're much less likely to injure your wrists this way, and I don't think it's likely to result in broken fingers)--it's not meant to be the best way to land universally. Protective gear (wrist guards, helmet, etc.), crouching, rolling, and sliding are all good advice. --170.215.130.226 (talk) 16:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

As a professional ski & snowboard instructor the technique of falling on fists is accurate. It actually results in far less injuries. However, I agree w/ Kjl nuke itTake2la (talk) 19:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Reverting some edits

I'm undoing the (re)addition of the "Carving" section from the "Disciplines" list, as it is already covered under "Alpine". Also, there were a whole bunch of changes in that revision (by Vert, 20 Nov 2005) that reintroduced some typos, bad grammar, bad wikipedia style, etc. from a very old version of this article, so I'm going to assume most of that was an accidental copy-paste or some such from an old copy of the article or something. I'm mostly undoing those edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KJL (talk • contribs) 22:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

nice work --Ralphy 09:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Too many "wannabe" experts

The problem with this topic is the kind of people it appeals to: they want to be experts but some have doubtless never seen snow.

So many deletions, poor edits, lack of real understanding of snowboarding.

People with nothing to add, so they come back time and again to "improve" the article by deleting or editing other people's contributions!

e.g. "carving is already covered under alpine" so I'm nuking this section!

Great, carving isn't a very important topic! Let's talk more about coool boards, "dude"! Rad man!

Vert 21:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

The main section was "Disciplines", the topic sentence of which was "There are 4 primary sub-disciplines or sub-styles", which were: freestyle, freeride, alpine, and backcountry. Adding "carving" made it 5, and "carving" is not really a sub-style in the spirit of the ones above (e.g. freeriders, freestylers, alpine riders, and backcountry riders can all carve). Carving is obviously an important topic (I am actually a hardbooter myself), but where should it be discussed? Skiiers carve, too. Kjl 17:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I would hate to agree with someone who is as arrogant as "Vert", but there does seem to be misleading information. For example, the article seems to suggest that only Alpine Snowboarding puts emphasis on carving which is far from the case, any snowboarder who has been around longer than a week will depend almost entirely on carving to turn, only beginners skidd the snowboard.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm probably an example of a wannabe expert - like many people I find an article because I want to learn about the topic, then see that it could be improved. So go easy on us :) This article could be improved with definitions of basic tricks and terminology, which used to be in 'Techniques'. Basic stuff like toeside/heelside, types of spins, flips, ollies etc. Not from a "how to do it" perspective, but just knowing what you're seeing. Stevage 12:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

There's is almost nothing worth saving in this article; the treatment of virtually every aspect of the sport is shallow at best, and at worst, confused and misleading. For instance, including carving as a discipline makes no sense; carving turns is a technique, used for control at high speed. It is no more a discipline than side-sliding or stopping. Contrary to the comment above, not only beginners slide turns as there are many situations when carving is either not practical or impossible. Carving turns requires increasing edge angle, which requires significant speed; at low speeds, carving is not possible. Moreover, the sidecut radius of the board determines the shape and size of a carved turn; boards with deep sidecuts carve tighter turns, while boards with shallow sidecuts carve longer, faster turns. Terrain features (trees, moguls, rocks) often limit the kind of turns that can be made; if you don't believe me try riding through the trees and only carving. Slope angle also affects carving, as shallow pitches are often too slow, and very steep ones (45 degrees and up) require jump turns. What is important to remember when discussing various techniques is that terrain influences riding style, not the other way around. A good rider adapts to the terrain, and applies the most suitable technique to that terrain. Carving is just a tool, and though it is much more advanced than sliding turns, it can not be used exclusively. Baoluo 11:35, 6 May 2006

This article appears to be heavily weighted toward freestyle to the detriment of freeride and alpine. I'd suggest adopting AASI's Y model to address the various disciplines of the sport (no sense in re-inventing the wheel). Those three sections are: Freestyle (Park & Pipe), Freeride (Backcountry, steeps, bumps and powder) and Alpine (Carving: groomers and gates). Suggest that the section on Freestyle be moved to it's own article (Freestyle snowboarding) and stub out a Freeride snowboarding section and then add references to the three types of riding styles from this main snowboarding article. Thanks for everyone's contributions! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.247.88 (talk) 07:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree too many cooksTake2la (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

US centric

hiya i have a problem with this section from the backcountry part "Today, backcountry snowboarding is often for those who have enough to cash to afford trips to Alaska or the mountain ranges of the West" this point of view tottally ignores the fact that the rest of the world apart from USA [yes we do exist] enjoy snowboarding — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.56.90 (talk) 13:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

The whole article is almost completely US centric. Please fix it. :) Stevage 14:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Construction

so i moved some info from the intro into its own section (construction), and then noticed that an article on this topic already exists. I propose merging that article into this one. If you think this article is too big, perhaps it needs to be divided into multiple articles, perhaps an article for each discipline, which would permit elaborating on different snowboarders and events within the discipline. trimming this article would also allow us to add sections on events, sponsorship, board types, brands, athletes, even culture (inc. prehaps fashion and music), Maybe a wikiproject: snowboarding is in order? or did i miss the boat on this one? Shaggorama 07:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

That article should be merged into Snowboard, not into Snowboarding. This article is about the sport, that one is about snowboards themselves. Stevage 11:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

That is an excellent idea. I absolutely second that. And you know what? Maybe a wikiproject is a little much, we'd probably jsut need 5 articles or so to be written.Shaggorama 09:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

i disagree totally the act of making a snowboard and snowboarding are entirely different simply the snowboard construction article should be expanded i.e. i oppose the merger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.56.8 (talk) 14:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the manner of construction strongly affects the performance of the board, and the style for which it is designed. In fact, different styles of board really only differ in construction. Something to consider. Of course, as it stands, the snowboard article is farily long.Shaggorama 11:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I oppose the idea of merging the articles. What I do see is that the construction of a snowboard article can still be extended in many ways. Discussing the Top Layer (and application of Graphics), discuss the sidecut construction (cap, sandwich, half cap), discuss the sidecut radiuses and directionality of a snowboard, discuss the importance of these to the style that they can be used for. I think this is a very good website with a lot of useful information I could not find elsewhere about snowboard construction http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2002.web.dir/Marvin%20Casanova/construction.htm --VasilySlesarenko 23:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Snowboarding vs skiing

The text in here simply makes no sense, I'm not sure what the original writer was trying to say though, so I am unable to correct it. James. --212.159.78.192 10:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture links

The picture links in this article are broken. Does anyone know how to fix it? If not some new pictures should be put on. 206.183.140.125 15:26, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

New tone and verify tags

A whole lot of this article sounds like it was written by people who have been snowboarding and have an opinion; but that's not encyclopedic, everything needs to come from a verifiable reference. I see only one reference down at the bottom of this article and it's obvious that most of the material in this article didn't come from there. The tone of the article is also a problem, especially in places where it reads like a "how-to" guide ("In places where almost all of the runs are groomed, and powder is a rare find, you must venture into the tree trails"). —Cleared as filed. 14:08, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Competitive snowboarding

Given that this is now an Olympic sport, someone needs to write a section on competition snowboarding that covers rules, point system (?) etc. soverman 22:37 21 Feb 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. As there is still no section about it, I would like to look into that. But high level Snowboarding is not only shown at the Olympics, connected to the FIS (the International Skiing Federation) - there is also an organisation called the TTR - ticket to ride - World Snowboard Tour (www.ttrworldtour.com). There is still no article about it either and I would like to add it also. --MediaDawg 10:17, 25 October 2006

I added in information from the Olympic website as well as rules from the x-games website into this section. Neither website had any point system rules on Snowboard Cross though. --User:VGill-NJITWILL —Preceding undated comment added 00:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC).

snowboarding

what are the times and the dates of the snowboarding events in the 2006 winter olympics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.232.157 (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

See Snowboarding at the 2006 Winter Olympics, although I think the snowboarding events are pretty much over. The closing ceremonies are tomorrow night (on tape delay where I am, anyway). --Elkman 03:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

links

I noticed (link removed) was added as a link. I don't see a reson to keep it as a link in the artilce. I nobody objects we should remove it, or say why it deservs to stay.--E-Bod 13:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks like spam to me. If you agree then go ahead and remove it and warn the user about spamming Ralphy 15:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

A link has recently been added to (link removed). This is potentially spam and perhaps should be removed. Can anyone else please offer an opinion on this? Many thanks Ralphy 08:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

What about add snow4zone.blogspot.com? It isn't spam... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.121.199.251 (talk) 12:47, May 24, 2007

Hey, thanks for asking on the talk page. Check out Wikipedia:External links, which will hopefully answer your questions. There are literally thousands of pages similar to the snow4zone blog, none of which are appropriate for an inclusion in this encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not about compiling a directory of links, though the Open directory project is! Stick around and help improve the article in ways other than external links! ∴ here…♠ 22:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

getting started

Doesn't seem germaine (less informative than instructive) and only adds to the lengthiness. You don't see anything like this is surfing/skateboarding/etc. Too similar to the "technique" section that got nuked. Think it would be better a link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.137.131 (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I have found some great articles on basics of buying boards and how to maintain them etc. here snowboard review — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emotif99 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed Getting Started Section

I removed the getting started section. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. [[1]] This section was very long compared to the length of the rest of the article, and the information could be obtained better by visitng another website. Stephenbez 22:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

When I came to the Wiki I expected more details on how the learning process worked so when I found they weren't there I decided to make a contribution and add the details. I didn't realise that it directly contravened the WP:NOT#IINFO policy. I have moved the getting started section to my [personal website] for anyone interested in what used to be on the Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.71.68.10 (talk) 14:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

freestyle

whats with the line "This gives boarders slower speeds, high landing impacts, quick turns, and imperfect landings."

sounds like hostility to me (a dedicated expert snowboarder, ask me q's for this article at alex_mul(at)hotmail.com). high impact landings? well what do you think happens when you fly off a 20 foot tall jump... alex 207.233.32.18 19:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite

This article was terrible, so I re-wrote some of this article to change the tone back to sound like an encyclopedia. I'm also suggesting that we get a better photo of a snowboard setup, and maybe include a slopestyle type photo. Volitant 23:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks much, still plenty of improvement possible. Take some nice shots of your gear and immortalize them ;). ∴ here…♠ 02:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed messy edit

the article went slightly haywire, so I reverted it back

ManicParroT 20:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed Random List of Snowboarding Videos

I removed the list of snowboarding videos. It doesn't help the article especially since all it lists is there name, and there is no notability criteria. Maybe if a few of these videos were described in more detail, or why they are important, then it would be helpful to the article. I moved the list into talk.

Other snowboard movies: It Ain't Easy, Patchwork Patterns, Thunk, Fire Fight, That, One Love, State of Mind, Burton Process (1-5), Follow Me Around, People, 91 Words For Snow, First Descent, The Gap Session, Escramble, Neoproto, Everyday Something, Some Kinda Life, Decade, Technical Difficulties, Stand and Deliver, Amp, Pulse, Shakedown, From _ with Love, The Community Project, DC Mountain Lab, Afterbang, Lame, After Lame, Attack of the Living Shred, Revenge of the Grenerds, Smell the Glove, Vivid, Pop, Futureproof, More, Wildcats, Destroyer, Happy Hour.

Some Film Companies:

MDP (Mack Dawg Productions), Whiteout Films, EPI Films, Think Thank, BlankPaper Studios, Standard Films, Robot Food, Defective Films, Absinthe Films.

Stephenbez 05:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Added History Section

I added a history section. This was taken from an old revision of the snowboard article: Revision as of 02:47, 3 December 2006. This section needs improvement, especially the first paragraph. Stephenbez 06:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Freeride/back country

While there is a good freestyle section, there is no section that encompasses back country riding. I think this section would help show the more recreational side of snowboarding. Thehamburglar 04:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Tindy Pic Must Go

The photo in the "Freestyle snowboarding" section labeled "frontside tail grab" is NOT A TAIL GRAB, it is a TINDY, which is considered terribly bad form by more knowledgeable & advanced riders. That pic cannot remain on the page and to continue to label it a tail grab is just plain wrong. --Raoul Duke 20:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Uk 'impossibility of snow'

I'd like someone to try and remember SCOTLAND. WHERE THERE IS SNOW EVERY YEAR AND SKI RESORTS.

Is everyone so short sighted so that the UK becomes 'inglund and irlund lolz' .

sorry about that, this just a major bugbear of mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.217.211 (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalization of at least one copy of article

On at least one copy of this page, some has inserted "GAY GAY GAY ..." throughout the history section and some of the initial text was replaced with the same. After logging in I was redirected away from that copy of the page. Just keep an eye out for it. Josh 16:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that tends to happen a lot on Wikipedia, to just about every page on a popular topic. Fortunately, it's usually reverted quickly. Jhinman 06:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

freestyle snowboarding

Who changed the entry on freestyle snowboarding? Snowboarding owes nothing to inline skating; freestyle snowboarding predates freestyle inline skating by at least a decade, and other than the feet being securely attached, the activities share almost no similarities. A comparison between inline skating and skiing might hold some water, but this description of freestyle snowboarding is fatuous.

Snowboarding is often compared to skateboarding for a number of valid reasons; firstly, many snowboard pioneers were skateboarders as well, and so adapted what they knew from skating and applied it to snowboarding. Secondly, despite the existence of bindings, snowboarding and skating use a virutally identical stance, and very similar body mechanics. Lastly, a great number of skateboarding concepts and tricks (frontside, backside, ollie, 180s, 360s, cabalaerials, mctwists) exist (virtually unmodified) in skateboarding.

Whoever wrote the current entry is quite obviously, not much of a snowboarder. (Baoluo 01:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC))

The 3 Cs: An Inspiration to Snowboarders and Skiers Alike

Wow. I don't know if anyone else noticed the "3 Cs" addition to this page, but I think it's really great! Who knew you could sum up everything there is to know about avalanche safety in just 3 letters?! I hope everyone that reads the article is inspired by the "3 Cs". I know I am. Tom157 23:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Important Info Missing / Removed

This page lacks a basic overview of the sport of snowboarding. Most of the content is about secondary topics. There used to be more info the history of the sport, and different types of snowboarding in previous versions. This info needs to be added back. I'll try to do it, but I don't think I have time. Stephenbez 01:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussion for adding an external link

Hello all,

I would like to add a link to (link removed). The site has a wiki, a forum, and other resources. The site has information which would not fit on a wikipedia article (as the information might be too detailed), but is good for people reading about skiing, snowboarding, and many things under those categories. Please discuss. Thank you, Searles2sels (PJ) 20:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Advise against, See Talk:Skiing#Permission_to_add_external_link. ∴ here…♠ 23:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Dub Sola

Does any one know about the 2008 Dub Sola Board? is it good? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.177.22.229 (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposed (One foot)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result was: Merge, by silent consensus. --B. Wolterding 11:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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I propose to merge the content of One foot into here, since that article is a very short orphan that would best be integrated into the main article. Please add your comments below. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Updating "Styles" section

I was a snowboarding instructor in Breckenridge for 4 years, fyi

I propose to change the "Styles" section by splitting it into two categories

1. Recreational

   >Freestyle/Freeride-riding on in-bounds runs at resorts, making turns, basic freestyle
   >Terrain Park/Halfpipe-riding terrain park features such as jumps, rails, boxes, jibs, and halfpipe
   >Backcountry/Big Mountain-all backcountry and out of bounds riding, snowmobile/hiking accessable stuff
   >Urban/backcountry Jibbing-all jibbing and rails done outside of terrain park    

2. Competition

   >Slopestyle
   >Big Air
   >Halfpipe/Quarterpipe
   >Rail Jam
   >slalom
   >boardercross
   >big mountain

I feel these changes would most accurately and simply represent what people do on snowboards and would help non-riders understand the different types of competitions. There is alot of misunderstanding and confusion, especially by casual x-games watching type fans and I feel a simple recreational/competition division makes the most sense because those are basically the only two contexts in which one would find him/herself snowboarding

other considerations and further discussion is needed for what to do with things like the snowdeck, and maybe a special section on olympic snowboarding —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.211.167.218 (talk) 01:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the preceding statement. The organization of the description of the different styles of snowboarding is just plain confusing. It also mixes history and current events in with, what is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry. All of that extraneous stuff needs to go and the aforementioned outline seems pretty good to me. I don't know that much about backcountry riding as I've never had the opportunity to do any so I'll leave that part to more informed and experienced individuals.

So I will start by a re-write using a slightly modified version of the suggested outline style. I also consolidated the "Contest" section and renamed it "competition" to be more general. Any one have any references? There's only one for the entire page.Avulturescohort (talk) 06:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Out Cold a realistic depiction of the snowboard world?

Who thought of that? It was a subpar movie that wasn't really about snowboarding at all. Does someone want to edit that section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gleb86 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Freeride

"The most common binding stance used is the forward stance with both leading and trailing feet in positive degree of arc ranges i.e. +9°/+15°."

This is not really true, the most common binding stance for most all disciplines (except slalom and boarderx) is usually duck-footed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.158.135 (talk) 01:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

True enough it is probably not the most "common" binding stance out of all disiplines but it is good place to start when setting up a purely freeride board. So I'll change the language to be more general and not sound like everyone who rides a freeride board is using a forward stance. (Avulturescohort (talk) 22:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC))

Bans

Does anyone know why some ski resorts/slopes don't allow snowboarders? It doesn't seem quite obvious to me. --170.215.130.226 (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

- Places like deer valley and napa are skiiers-only for a few reasons, I think.

• Skiiers don't like the stereotypical snowboarder
• Snowboards cut different lines in the snow, apparently
• These places can make tons more money if stuck-up skiiers will only go to places without snowboarders. Different market, more $$$.
• There are only 4 resorts left, however, snowboarders are campaigning for them to allow them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drippingyellowmadness (talk • contribs) 15:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

In addition to reasons above, resorts don't allow snowboarders because:

• They have to clip in and general do so right after they get off the lift (in the way of everyone else)
• Snowboarders (stereotypically) plop down wherever they like to take a break, whereas skiers can take a break by just standing

What you said above are the main reasons, it's really an just a negative attitude towards snowboarders that is now unwarranted. Good luck finding credible sources with that though —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyalC (talk • contribs) 21:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I've asked quite a few skiers about this over the years. Most memorable answers are:

• Snowboards and boots are heavier than skis, therefore a skier-snowboarder collision would be like a Ferrari-Mack Truck collision.
• The path of snowboarders is unpredictable to a skier, causing confusion, fear, and danger.
• Snowboarders ruin the snow.
• Chairlifts aren't made for snowboarders.
• Snowboarders are always jumping, spinning, flipping, etc. so they would interfere with serene, mellow skiers.

The most intense logic came from those who had not actually skied with a snowboarder, as might be expected. However, even at Sun Valley, which has (or at least had) a few runs excluding snowboarding, a few skiers on them apparently maintained isolation from snowboarders and enhanced their ignorance. Despite my reasoned invitation for them to go try some other runs, the idea of being somewhere "contaminated" by snowboards was total anathema. —EncMstr (talk) 21:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

History Rewrite?

I feel like the history section could use some work. I did a full 7-page research paper on the history of snowboarding, and have tons of books on the subject, so I feel decently qualified. If there are no qualms, I will start soon. I'm new here, so I wouldn't want to upset anybody... Drippingyellowmadness (talk) 20:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

If you feel it might be controversial, you could begin as a page in your user space (User:Drippingyellowmadness/Snowboarding) then ask for reviewers. I for one would be happy to comment. —EncMstr 21:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Injuries

I've reverted an edit about the most common injuries. The ref used, although hardly credible, states "Wrist injuries are by far the most common of all Snowboarding injuries, followed by ankle and knee injuries." If there is a more credible reference that says otherwise, by all means revert, but the ref needs to be included. Cheers, Freestyle-69 (talk) 22:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

"Famous" Snowboarder also a famous "Speed Bowler"?

I have removed material that was added in this diff [2] by an anon who also shared with us this gem: [3] in which they say the same person is both a 'boarder and a bowler. That's dubious on the face of it, (no snowboarder would be caught dead in a bowling alley...) even if we ignore the complete lack of any other corroboration. Epousesquecido (talk) 22:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Taos

This section doesn't make sense:

"On March 18, 2008 Taos Ski area officially welcomed the first snowboarders to their resort, after years of exclusion. Founder of Bonfire Snowboarding, Brad Steward, joined Transworld Snowboarding Editor in Chief Kurt Hoy, Java Fernandez, Ryan Thompson, Josh Sherman and a local advocate for the first legal turns."

It's not clear why Taos ski area allowing snowboarders is a particularly noteworthy event, even if it sort of links on to the previous paragraph. I'll delete it in a day or two, unless someone makes it fit in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ManicParroT (talk • contribs) 08:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

History

I changed "The development of snowboarding was inspired by surfing and skateboarding, and the sport shares superficial similarities with skiing." to "The development of snowboarding was inspired by skateboarding, surfing and skiing."

The first snurfer was made out of two skis connected together. Tom Sims and Jake Burton were both skiers. To say that skiing wasn't a big part the origin of Snowboarding is disingenuous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.68.115.166 (talk) 21:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Remove Picture of Two Snowboarders

The picture of two snowboarders holding snowboards really doesn't add anything. At the very least, any picture showing someone holding a snowboard and also wearing a helmet and protective gear would at least send an important message to those reading this article before taking up boarding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.142.125.1 (talk) 15:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Things you need your First Time Going Snowboarding

i wanted to talk about the materials needed in order to go snowboarding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raman.Nissan (talk • contribs) 02:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Snowboarding didn't start with the Snurfer

Hello,

My grandfather co-invented the snowboard. He and his relatives hold the first U.S. Patent issued in 1939 which is before the "snurfer" hit the scene.

For more information visit http://snowboarding.transworld.net/1000116837/featuresobf/the-very-first-snowboard/ or you can Google 'Burgeson snowboard' for more information. Also, feel free to contact me should you require additional information for your update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.122.86.121 (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well-known events?

There is not a mention of FIS Snowboarding World Championships. Surely they is not as appreciated as X Games, but I think those should be mentioned, since they are the official world championships. The mentioned ones seems more to be some kind of inside thing among the snowboarding community. 85.217.45.196 (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

entrance into olympics

it would seem to be relevant, and very interesting, to the history section to discuss how exactly snowboarding became an olympic sport, especially considering how controversial the sport was originally. of course, good sources might be difficult to acquire since this is a global professional organization. 184.74.68.181 (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)grumpy

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Picture of the day

Snowboarding is a winter sport that derives from skiing, sledding, surfing, and skateboarding. The snowboard attaches to a rider's feet using a special boot set onto mounted binding. Modern snowboarding began in Muskegon, Michigan, in 1965 and immediately proved to be quite popular. It has been a Winter Olympic sport since 1998.Photo: Søren Hoven

How many feet do snowboarders have?

Question might sound dumb, but both the caption of the Pic of the Day above and the article's lead say "...attaches to a rider's feet using a special boot set onto mounted binding". So, multiple feet, singular boot, singular binding. Am I missing something here? HiLo48 (talk) 05:46, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Boot images

Hey everyone. I'm trying to beat the ski boots article into shape, and it's currently lacking any images of snowboarding boots. There's nothing over on the commons that I can find -- but the search there is not exactly very useful. So if anyone has some good images of their boots I'd love to use them. Boots, legs in boots, boots in bindings, it's all good. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:28, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Is Quick Stance important enough to be in this article? Seems like product promotion for a barely used product.

As the headline says should this Wikipedia article be promoting particular products? Seems odd when many other innovations have been overlooked like the Flow binding system and split boards.

From my experience this sort of binding setup is rare and shouldn't be in the article. If I'm wrong that's fine! I just wanted to raise it as a potential issue.

"Snowboard binding rotating devices are designed to minimize the torque force, Quick Stance[27] being the first developed in 1995.[28] They allow snowboarders to turn the locked foot straight into the direction of the tip of the snowboard without removing the boot from the boot binding."

Manicmouse (talk) 19:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

It is in context with the discussion on injuries from the fixed stance, so I see reason to mention an adjustable stance binding, and the only reason I'd see a reason to add a manufacturers name would be for someone to look up what they are if they are confused about the product because it is so rare. Maybe this should be worded different with a reference to the Snowboard page and more information on the adjustable stance binding or devices on that page? A brief touch on the fact that a lot of the injuries are due to fixed stance but that adjustable stance options are available to help overcome this and possibly a citation to a refrence on the snowboard page? What are your thoughts on that? OlafBerserker (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

pedantic grammar nazis have no place here

I'm editing some sections to begin with a basic 10th grade-level thesis statement and I want people to stop undo-ing them.

I did *not* delete any long-winded definitions...I simply added a few non-inflamitory sentences that communicate to a general reader the essential idea of the paragraph or section. These edits should be completely agreeable to anyone who knows snowboarding at all or has a Literature major.

I absolutely will not discuss these changes further. I let them stand for themselves and I trust the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.245.156 (talk) 08:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion

I'd like to suggest a basic re-grouping of main points and sub-points. As of this writing, 'slopestyle' and 'boarder-cross' are in the 'styles' main section, and not the 'competitions' section.

You get the idea...jibbing, freestyle, alpine, freeride, etc are obviously 'styles'. Rail jam, slopestyle, big air, and the different types of races are obviously 'competitions'.

BTW to clear up any confusion, YES freestyle techniques are used in racing, re: The last 30 seconds of Seth Wescott's gold medal run in the 2006 Olympics where he, and I quote from the interview afterwards (wish I had a link) "Rode the top of the curve like a freestyle skater in a bowl" positioning himself to cut off the leading rider to win first at the last second...therefore 'slopestyle' and 'boardercross' are types of racing events not 'styles'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.245.156 (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I'll second that KagakuKyouju (talk) 01:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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"Decline"

Claiming that snowboarding is in decline based off one Orange County newspaper is a bit of a stretch. Snowboarding's not growing leaps and bounds like it was in the 90's, but that doesn't mean it's declining. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.9.159.45 (talk) 23:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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history of first jumps

It would be good to add "history of first jumps" like figure skating has (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_jumps#History_of_first_jumps). It would do well to show the evolution of the sport. 89.201.184.188 (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

2nd Annual Freestyle Skiing Snowboarding Competition Crested Butte

The first time I ever saw a snowboarder was in 1979 at Crested Butte. The first championship had been in Vermont the prior year.

I’ve always been a skier but I’ll always remember watching skiers get Max error at that competition. But more exciting was watching a snowboarder do a triple back corkscrew. Then I didn’t even know what that meant.

It seems snowboarding history is filled with a lot of incomplete information and claims that we were the first. I wish this Could include more information. 2601:204:C100:9590:89A9:5615:5F9B:6E63 (talk) 01:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Stop rewriting history - Snowboarding was not invented in Wales

Some editors are in gross violation of NPV and are trying to edit this page in a biased way. This is an anti-USA bias and it is clear that NPV does not matter to these editors. They are attempting to rewrite the page to indicate snowboarding was not invented in Michigan and then perfected by Burton and Sims. The fallacious edits over-emphasize what is essentially some dudes in Wales who tied strings to their skateboards.

Snowboarding was invented and modernized in the USA, it's just a flat fact. Snurfer started in, Burton and Sims perfected it. That's the story and anything else absolutely must be rejected. 76.138.248.64 (talk) 17:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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