Talk:Brentford F.C.

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Didn't they break the curse of the lucky dressing room at the Millenium Stadium? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.87.143.3 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 22 August 2006

Yes, by losing to Stoke in the Play Off Final in 2002 I believe. Before every team who had used the north dressing room had won. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.128.61 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 18 September 2006

Chich Brodie injured by dog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay0zn1wL9e0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.106.43.238 (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Notable players

What is the current criteria for selecting notable players? I would suggest that it is changed to just those players who have won caps at full international level. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 14:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I concur. Or failing that, how about a list of the club's top ten goalscorers and appearances? SteveO (talk) 14:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I also do not understand why there are two lists, one for notable players and another for capped internationals. Perhaps the list of top ten appearances and scorers would be better than what is currently there, and then perhaps list players who have had a certain number of international caps, say 20 or more? AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 15:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Or how about the club's player of the year award? It doesn't really matter what is used, just so long as there's some objective criteria for the list of players. I'd add the appearances/goalscorers myself, only I haven't been able to find that information on the net. SteveO (talk) 22:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think this might be a matter for a very knowledgeable Brentford supporter, even if thy don't have the ability to put it in an appropriate format for the article then the information could be povided. I'll put a shout on the Project Football page. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 13:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps the notable players section should include players who are recognised by the world outside of football, e.g. Jimmy Hill is on this list, he is known also as a commentator and broadcaster so in my opinion he would be classed as notable. I think if a player or former player is recognised as doing something other than playing for Brentford then there is a greater chance of them being notable. Additionally, the capped international players list could be trimmed a lot by only including those who have actually played in a recognised international tournament, e.g. the world cup or euro championships. This would at least shorten the list. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 14:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I like what has been done with the Bristol Rovers F.C. lists of "notable" players. There have been lists created and linked to, which tidies up the article much more than the inclusion of the lists on the main article would.

The list of notable players in the article provides a good reason why the individual is notable. If all "notable players" sections could be like this it would be a much better feature in an article. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 15:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It's standard with most football clubs to have a separate List of ABC FC players for everyone to have played for the club, with just a summary section on the main article, akin to what has been done with featured articles Chelsea F.C. and Manchester City F.C. A list of Brentford's players of the season or their highest appearing/scoring/capped internationals would be ideal. I've searched on the net but not been able to track down that information. SteveO (talk) 16:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Whether a player is added to the list should be a matter of objective fact, not of subjective opinion. Simply giving a reason why they might be included is not sufficient: it still makes it a matter of judgement, and therefore OR, as to whether Carl Asasba, for example, should be included. List therefore deleted as OR. Kevin McE (talk) 11:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Obviously none of you are supporters of Brentford FC. Isn't this a 'free' site to 'add' info as and when? What displeases you lot? As for saying 'Caps' should only be recognised for Euros/Worlds etc etc or if the player receives over 20 is laughable. This is the History of Brentford FC. Whether a player recieves 1 cap for St Kitts is still a 'Cap' recognised by FIFA. At some point i might add the Top 10 Appearences/Goal Scorers, but please leave up 'Notable' players. Thank You.

This is a free site on which people are positively encouraged to provide information: it is also a site that requires verifiable encyclopaedic content, and which does not permit subjective opinion and original research. Kevin McE (talk) 18:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Unneccesary info

There now seeems to be even more unneccesary information added to the article under coaching staff. Is it really important to know who the club masseur is? AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 10:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Capped international players

"The following players earned international caps whilst playing for Brentford (number of caps awarded whilst at Brentford FC in brackets, if known and confirmed)", Twice I have edited this section only for some IP editor to re-add. None of these Irish players removed earned full international caps while with Brentford, indeed some have never won any. So IP editor can you explain why they are being re-added? Murry1975 (talk) 06:59, 16 May 2013 (UTC) Just seen my mistake, an under 21 section. Will remove those without caps, add caps known. Murry1975 (talk) 07:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Celebrity supporters

One is cited, the rest arent. ANd its not a list of former players. Find the citations as per WP:BLP befroe re-adding. Murry1975 (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Just to add that the consensus of various discussions at WP:FOOTY (cf here or here), is that lists of celebrity fans in club articles are considered cruft and unencyclopaedic. SteveO (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Cheers SteveO, I cant remove now, 3RR, so I will wait for the IP to engage in talk. Thaks for the links bud. Murry1975 (talk) 17:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Removed uncited cruft again. Murry1975 (talk) 18:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Milk Cup

I reckon the club's exploits in the Milk Cup might be worth a mention, such as when the Juniors/U15s won it in 2012. Maybe one day there could be a "Brentford FC Reserves & Academy" page? Beatpoet (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Club Songs

Another section that has been removed numerous times, uncited. If any material is returned a good source must be included. Murry1975 (talk) 20:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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club badges

11:32, 30 July 2017 (UTC)AMIJCI (talk)A new badge has been introduced for the 2017/2018 season. It is much simplified from the previous version....a single bee on a white field. A great improvement~~

Article split

Who ever is responsible for devastating this article, please explain yourself. Why on earth would anyone think it was a good idea to cut 90% of the article in to 10 different pages? It's atrocious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary Dahl (talk • contribs) 15:01, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

It looks as though this was done by IP User 36.78.32.31 (talk · contribs) on 7 November 2017. While they were right to move excessive detail on each subtopic out to a separate article, they should also have retained a summary of each article as a section in the main article, instead of stripping it down to a skeleton. The York City F.C., Arsenal F.C. and Birmingham City F.C. articles are just a few of many good examples to follow in terms of structure. I agree that this needs to be addressed, however please can you make comments only on talk pages (only edit an article if you improving it) and do not vandalise user pages or articles unless you wish to be blocked from editing. Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 23:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I feel like it may be time to look into this. As mentioned before it is probably best to have the separate articles, but a précis of each one would be appropriate (similar to the examples provided above). Would any other users be interested in contributing to this project? Thanks. Crubba (talk) 16:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Brief history??!!

I wanted to see the history of the club in brief as they have now joined the prem league, but wtf! This is a shockingly depressing article. Non-league clubs have better articles! Govvy (talk) 11:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of the discussion was merge 3x History of Brentford F.C. article into History of Brentford F.C. . Pinging @Govvy:. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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I don't know what happened and why Brentford F.C. is so botched, so I propose we merge History of Brentford F.C. (1889–1954), History of Brentford F.C. (1954–1986) and History of Brentford F.C. (1986–present) back into Brentford F.C. to be inline with the current and correct style that is set by the football project here at wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 11:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I would support a merge. I think the page was originally split up due to it's size. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 13:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Happy with a merge, but only to History of Brentford F.C., which is a standard and established fork. GiantSnowman 16:02, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I am not against that merge, I still fail to see why this main article should lack decent historical content know. Govvy (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@Govvy and GiantSnowman: Soooo. Is there going to be a merge? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Not much input, but what GS said, merging the three articles into one would suffice. Govvy (talk) 17:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

In the absence of any opposition in the next few days, consider WP:BEBOLD. GiantSnowman 11:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Govvy and GiantSnowman: support merge JRPG (talk) 08:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

support merge. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Govvy, REDMAN 2019, and JRPG: please note I am removing this discussion from the list of proposed merges at WP:FOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 20:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

It's still there User:GiantSnowman. I agree that merging the 3 very detailed history articles to History of Brentford F.C. would suffice. But should be a paragraph or so on the main page. Nfitz (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Per above, merge into single History page - but main Brentford page needs a summary of the historical info. Probably easy enough to scrape an earlier page version for content. Koncorde (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Can easily be merged into a History article. But, having a summarised history here is what makes sense. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

'Oppose' , although the 3 history pages could potentially be merged. All 3 history pages merged to the artucle would create an enormous article. Barney1995 (talk) 00:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Support merge into a single History of Brentford F.C. article. @GiantSnowman: @Govvy: Considering the amount of time this merger has been proposed, isn't it time to take action? GiantSnowman has suggested BEBOLD and I agree it's the best course of action, especially with high support here for a merger. Also, Govvy: I do agree that the Brentford F.C. article itself shouldn't be completely vain of history. A summary of the club's history, covering its most important content, may be added to Brentford F.C., while full details are over in the History article. See for example Everton F.C. - it has a good sizable summary of its history, while the full details are all in History of Everton F.C.. It is a good format that I think should be used for Brentford too. --Jf81 (talk) 15:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Shhhnotsoloud: Umm, I am very busy with work, either someone else can do it or it will have the merge or wait good while. Govvy (talk) 08:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Relevance of minor titles, wartime honours and awards sections

With the existence of these sections already on the List of Brentford F.C. records and statistics page, I was wondering if it was worthwhile deleting these sections from this page. As mostly reserve trophies and minor awards, I don't think they are notable enough for this page personally. Does anyone have any objections before I go ahead? Michaeldble (talk) 16:11, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

stadiums

The current and previous grounds section, it is just a list, is there no information on the previous grounds other than two links to the stadium own articles? Govvy (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Referencing repeatedly

When I tried to add a name to a reference to repeat it, it comes up with 'Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).' Please Help! Hairytoes54 (talk) 11:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)