Steven Walling

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago

Awesome

Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Wow, time flies. Thanks for the reminder! Steven Walling • talk 19:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

--Criticeditor (talk) Steve, Could you kindly review the article M_A_Varughese —Preceding undated comment added 13:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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After a successful first iteration of the “Months of African Cinema” last year, we are happy to announce that it will be happening again this year, starting from October 1! In the 2018 edition of the contest, about 600 Wikipedia articles were created in at least 8 languages. There were also contributions to Wikidata and Wikimedia commons, which brought the total number of wikimedia pages created during the contest to over 1,000.

The AfroCine Project welcomes you to October, the first out of the two months which have been dedicated to creating and improving content that centre around the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora. Join us in this global edit-a-thon, by helping to create or expand articles which are connected to this scope. Also remember to list your name under the participants section.

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For further information about the contest, the recognition categories and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. See you around :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Updating sidebar

Hi Steven! I recently stumbled upon the RfC you spearheaded back in 2013 about updating the left sidebar. I've long thought that it could use some revamping, and I would've supported most of your proposed changes had I been around back then, but sadly it looks like it didn't get enough consensus to go anywhere. So I'm wondering (a) have there been any updates in this area since 2013 that I should be aware of, and (b) do you have any suggestions about what I might be able to do to have a higher chance of getting this done? Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 07:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.

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Join the Months of African Cinema Global Contest!

Greetings!

The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.

We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

• Overall winner
  • 1st - $500
  • 2nd - $200
  • 3rd - $100
• Diversity winner - $100
• Gender-gap fillers - $100
• Language Winners - up to $100*

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Fitbit article changes

Steve, I noticed that the Fitbit article you created had a pretty major edit (sections removed) without any prior discussion on the talk page. I was going to revert, but do not have the bandwidth to get in an edit war, not that it's ever fruitful anyway.

• 21:55, 14 January 2021‎ Jawz101 talk contribs‎ 35,093 bytes −5,078‎ This was not a minor edit. I removed the accuracy and effectiveness sections and moved the recall further down in the article. It felt like filler to describe everything mentioned about a thing. Much of it could be for a discussion on activity trackers in general. The same could be said for running shorts.

I defer to your better judgment. Bobsd (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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Feedback Request

Hi there! I have recently made a request for an assessment of the article Puppetry of the Penis on WikiProject Theatre. I have been editing this article for over a month, adding almost 3000 words, new sections, an infobox, media and more references for verifiability. I noticed you were a very active (and helpful) editor of WikiProject Theatre, and was wondering if you had the time if you could have a look at the article and provide me any feedback. Any general feedback would be much appreciated and possibly an assessment of the article for importance and quality. Thank you very much. Rubyredgirl (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rubyredgirl: I can take a look this weekend! Steven Walling • talk 15:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@Steven Walling: Hello Steven Walling, thank you for taking the time to reply! The article has been assessed and some very helpful feedback was provided by other editors, but of course any suggestions for improvement from you would be greatly appreciated. No rush at all, I am grateful for your time. Have a lovely day! Rubyredgirl (talk) 02:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Happy Birthday!

@CAPTAIN RAJU: Thank you! Very kind. Steven Walling • talk 19:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey Steven, good to see you around. Montanabw^(talk) 15:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah this year I've been gnoming on some stubs again. Steven Walling • talk 17:46, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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Happy Birthday!

Wishing Steven Walling a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee!   Chris Troutman (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Checking in

Hi, Steven - since you didn't respond to the ping from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs#Confirmation request, I thought it best to follow up with a post to see if you are still active on WP:WikiProject Dogs. I'm updating our list of participants and removing those who are no longer active. Please ping if you respond here, or better yet, respond to the ping and let us know if you're still active. Happy editing! Atsme 💬 📧 02:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Your signature

Hello, I've noticed that your signature is using the html5 obsolete tags <font style>. Would you be willing to change it to <span style> for the same look, but without the Lint errors?

This: <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">[[User:Steven Walling|Steven Walling]] • [[User talk:Steven Walling|<span style="color: #8080b0">talk</span>]]</span> gives you the visually identical: Steven Walling • talk

Thanks and have a great weekend, Zinnober9 (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah definitely. Thanks for the note! Steven Walling • talk 18:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Zinnober9: Done! Let me know if there are any linter errors though. Steven Walling • talk 17:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

No errors that I see. Thanks! I've adjusted your past signatures on this page to your current, so this page is now lint free. Zinnober9 (talk) 23:56, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Extension of Protection

Kindly, can the page Egyptians gets autoconfirmed access-only users like many big pages, since once the temporarily protection ends, IPs come and re-corrupt the page. Thank you. Fragrant Peony (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fragrant Peony: Just the one set of recent IP edits was a content disagreement, not vandalism, so unless volume of spam or vandalism picks up more the right move is to leave it open, since we don't apply protection preemptively. Steven Walling • talk 17:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. They actually took massive content from Britannica [while removing/changing original words], and kept corrupting the page even though the source accompanied says otherwise. The main issue here is plagiarism too, this isn't the first time, so if the page is kept edited by autoconfirmed and experienced users that would indeed help. Fragrant Peony (talk) 17:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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@Liz: Given that in my edit summary when creating this I specifically said I was about to create articles for this category and it’s obviously a type of common elections category, was this really necessary? It hasn’t even been one day. This kind of useless bureaucratic nonsense is what drives editors away from the project. Steven Walling • talk 01:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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FYI, User:Marah Gh 90 has been blocked as a sock of a persistent, forum-shopping LTA. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie: Not surprised given that they sent me email spam asking me to create an article. Thanks for the heads up! Steven Walling • talk 15:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Delosperma lehmannii

Hey, why did you remove the category "succulent plants" from Delosperma lehmannii? It is a succulent, and the citation from Kew says so specifically. Am I misunderstanding the definition of "succulent"? User:Jonwilliamsl(talk|contribs) 16:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jonwilliamsl: Thanks for pinging me. Including the individual species article isn't necessary / is duplicative, because the root genus (Delosperma) and the overall family Category:Aizoaceae is already included. There are thousands of succulent plant species, so the category is much easier to browse if we tag the root genera and family in cases where 100% of them are succulents. Steven Walling • talk 16:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks :) User:Jonwilliamsl(talk|contribs) 16:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for asking. Steven Walling • talk 17:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Darwin Del Fabro

Hello @Steven Walling I recently created Draft:Darwin Del Fabro, about a queer Brazilian actor and was hoping that you or another member of WP:Theatre would be kind enough to take a look and let me know how it could be improved. Or, if it looks ok, to move it to the mainspace. Thank you in advance for your help and consideration Volcom95 (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC) Volcom95 (talk) 19:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Volcom95: Hi! This article generally looks fine, but I don't have time to review it in detail right now. Steven Walling • talk 20:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Could you move it to the mainspace? I'm not comfortable doing that myself. Volcom95 (talk) 18:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, old friend

Glad to see you appear in my watchlist and even happier that you're still active here after all these years :) I hope you're well! Acalamari 20:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Acalamari: Good to hear from you! Also great to see you're still editing as well. I definitely took a break for a few years but 2022 and hopefully 2023 to has had more time for article writing. Steven Walling • talk 04:34, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:NPOV WP:PA

This editor seems to be cherry picking facts based on personal bias and personal interpretations, cherry picking sources based on personal views. Newb here just learning wiki, trying to share facts. Editor has expressed disdain for “cyclists” and “Los Angeles” and the publication “Bicycling Magazine”.

Editor made false accusations as to my intent and personal identity. WP:PA

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WP:PA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks Baudrillard6969 (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Baudrillard6969: You added a bunch of citations and references about a certain individual, watered down the language used by the sources, and then when I edited one of these items to make it more encylopedic, I immediately got a request on LinkedIn to connect to the person who is the subject of the references you added. How stupid do you think Wikipedia editors are? Please refrain from editing things about which you have a conflict of interest. This can and will result in being blocked from editing. Steven Walling • talk 23:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:OUTING strange motivation, sounds like attempted outing. Why not just tell a wiki newb “hey don’t post so much about one topic it comes across as spammy” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?redirect=no&title=Wikipedia:OUTING

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Please keep in mind that attempting to continue an edit war, especially while avoiding the talk page after previous requests for editors to use the talk page and in violation of WP:ONUS policy is extremely disruptive. That's doubly so for an admin to be doing it. The proper course of action then (or after a self-revert) would have been to read the previous edit summaries that made it clear it was time for you to come to the talk page. Instead, doubling down on the problem of editors refusing to get consensus for edits on the talk page and just continuing edit wars only hinders us regulars there trying to protect the page from it.

More concerning though is WP:INVOLVED though. When you take an admin action like closing a request and immediately go to the article to continue an edit war and violate policies like ONUS, that is a sign of a more serious problem. That really showed when you closed that saying to use the talk page and you did the opposite of your own advice. That very problem is what editors have been trying to protect the article from and isn't something an admin should be encouraging.

If you had read the talk page or history, you would have seen that us regulars had been dealing with promotional issues with this fringe group and had to focus on activities that had independent sources for WP:DUE to filter out those issues. That dispute led to reverts that we finally got mostly under control. The reason for RFPP was because an IP that appeared to be a logged out account was the only one continuing edit warring without using the talk. Instead of deescalating with semi-protection, we're now in a position where full protection may be justified after your edit. I alluded to this at the above ANI about you, but please take more care about making situations worse and in this case creating extra work for us volunteers trying to keep persistent edit warring behavior at least somewhat contained. KoA (talk) 05:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

You brought a good faith content dispute to RFPP which is most definitely not a candidate for protection. I saw that and jumped in after you posted the obviously wrong request for protection application. You need to rethink the level of lecturing you're doing here. Edit wars sometimes merit full protection, and in this case no admin would do so, given that there's an active and completely normal Talk page discussion already underway. Steven Walling • talk 05:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dan Sevastopol (13:03, 21 August 2023)

Hi Steven,

Thanks for offering to be my mentor! I am very new to Wikipedia so I appreciate your taking the time out.

I've suggested an article for deletion because it's about a person who really isn't noteworthy. I don't really have a personal interest in the matter except that the article references people I do know.

Another user has said that deletion of the article ought to be discussed on the "Articles for Deletion" forum. I don't know how to do this. Can you help me move this forward?

Best,

Dan --Dan Sevastopol (talk) 13:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dan Sevastopol: Yes, I can show you how to nominate something at Articles for Deletion. It's not super easy to understand, but there is a guide to nominating a page. Basically what you're doing is putting a tag on the article, which leads to a deletion discussion page. There will then be a week minimum for editors to discuss. If the template process is too daunting just let me know and we can screenshare. Steven Walling • talk 17:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Accusations at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tines

Please consider carefully whether it is appropriate to make accusations other editors over disagreements in a deletion discussion, as you did to User:Scope creep at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tines. Disagreement about independence and secondary sources is quite reasonable and deserves discussion, but if you question the good faith of their arguments, could you consider discussing it on the user's talk page before cluttering the deletion discussion? Is it WP:CIVIL to make this sort of threat? I worry that it could promote battleground behavior and discourage participation at WP:AfD, and I think we need more editors involved in deletion, don't you? — Jacona (talk) 17:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

The argument made there is completely and totally ridiculous to the degree that it's either total ignorance of sourcing standards or made disingenuously. The nominator is not a new editor to say the least and should know the policies they are citing, which means pleading total ignorance of what constitutes a reliable source is not even remotely convincing. Steven Walling • talk 17:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I was watching the Tines AfD, not really wanting to weigh in, but I clicked through to your profile after seeing you were taking such a beating.

There's a firmly held view, among the relatively small number of editors who make a habit of participating in corporation/organization deletions, that the "I" in SIRS means that only facts derived independently of any information from the article subject qualify for the purposes of notability. So a journalist can collect a hundred data points of information published by the company in press releases, interviews, earnings releases, etc. and synthesize it into a critique of the company, and it won't count for notability because the information itself isn't "independent content". Instead, so the logic goes, you have to first excise all of those tainted facts and then see if what's left of the article talks about the company in sufficient depth.

I have said, and I will continue to say (possibly to my peril), this is not a logical reading of NCORP/ORGIND but I am picking my battles. Some cats have claws.

When I looked at this AfD, I checked out some of the sources and it seemed to be more or less a lost cause for that reason. I don't think it should be deleted, because common sense says it's notable, but it's a close call. Oblivy (talk) 05:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for the note. That interpretation of SIRS makes no sense whatsoever to me. News organizations, book publishers, and journal peer reviews all have fact checking and editors whose function is to review work and challenge poor sourcing. Just because a news article or book direct quotes a source a few times doesn't mean the entire piece isn't reliable. If the New York Times quotes someone, it's still useful and verifiable material for referencing depending on what facts you're trying to add a citation for. This is why verification is a policy and notability is just a guideline where common sense should be applied. Steven Walling • talk 14:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

It comes from the part of WP:ORGIND that uses the term "independent content". I can see a valid concern that journalists may be uncritically shoveling information provided by an executive or PR rep into articles - it happens - but that puts a pretty low opinion on journalists, editors, and outlets like the NYT. There is a modest proposal brewing over at the talk page for NCORP to add language saying non-independent sources don't include "earned media" but I'm not sure if it will fly. Oblivy (talk) 00:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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