WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from April 15, 2012

Listener comments!
	9:06pm Richard from Venezuela: Good evening Dave. Nice hear your music selections again.
	9:06pm Destroit: Hello all good people.
	♥ 9:07pm Dave M: Evening, folks.
	9:12pm Andrew Waterloo: hello hello again
	9:13pm miss cheri: hiya dave--as i recall the last time you were on,, you never answered my question,,,do you agree that mila k. is a god?? btw great to see you once again!!
	♥ 9:14pm Dave M: Hi Andrew. Cheri: Sorry, still working on that one.
	9:17pm Theologian: Define "god".
	9:46pm glenn: define insane.
	9:49pm Theologian: @glenn: psst, ^^^^^^^ some things are better experienced phenomenologically, or phenomenillogically these tracks span quite an array of vocals, dave!
	♥ 10:00pm Dave M: Yeah, I guess. But all connected in some way...maybe.
	10:01pm sinister dexter: howdy Dave ^_^ hi listeners ^_^ enjoying the sounds here in grand rapids michigan
	♥ 10:01pm Dave M: Hey Dexter.
	10:19pm George of Troy: Another chance meeting with World of Echo . . . Most excellent. Hi Dave and fellow listeners!
	10:22pm Marc: Dave you're way cooler than Don Draper. #madmeh
	10:22pm Marc: now, where's my goddamn Hawkwind?
	10:24pm triish: Recordings that gestate in djs' bags. I bet that would make an interesting list.
	♥ 10:25pm Dave M: Greetings, George. A surprise to me too. Martha needed a fill-in at the very last minute.
	♥ 10:26pm Dave M: Marc, I have it here! I'll try to fit it into this set if I haven't lost you to Mad Men.
	♥ 10:26pm Dave M: @triish: Not so sure about that. Sometimes they gestate for a reason.
	♥ 10:27pm Dave M: Marc: Here it is, just for you.
	10:27pm Marc: No, Mad World of Echo trumps Le Draper any time...
	10:28pm Marc: Thank you thank you thank you thank you! Great record, great show!
	♥ 10:29pm Dave M: @triish: Sometimes you never get around to playing the record because it sucks and you're unwilling to admit that.
	♥ 10:30pm Dave M: @Marc: Was going to send you a photo of it earlier, but f***ing Facebook never seems to work right for me.
	10:31pm G: Diggin Dave. Draper = Drooper.
	10:31pm triish: Yet djs still carry them around. That's the interesting part, I think, quality aside. I'd guess it's pretty common.
	♥ 10:33pm Dave M: Hope springs eternal. You keep thinking, I want to play this record and I'll find a spot for it in a set someday. But You never do, because your heart's not in it.
	10:35pm triish: Looking at few old 'port' folders of my own - maybe not interesting. Maybe just 'curious'.
	10:36pm Droll: DaveM, Your rationale sounds close to admission of "guilty pleasure". Love enough to lug around, sensible enough not to air.
	♥ 10:37pm Dave M: Yeah, maybe. But there's almost nothing I won't have the nerve to air at SOME time. Except maybe "Tarkus."
	10:39pm Marc: Speaking of guilty pleasures... I'll never feel guilty listening to Mo, no matter what she's playing.
	10:41pm Droll: Sigh... My gateway DJ to FMU was DJ Donna Dummer (Jason Forrest), and he once played Tarkus in the middle of a breakcore set. That's what set FMU hook for good. (I even loved your 9 minute DP jam on your other fill in a few days ago)
	10:43pm George of Troy: Dave, does that mean you would have the nerve to play "Love Beach"? Not that I'd want you to do that . . .
	10:44pm Tom - In Gravesend Brooklyn: Fanny is Australia guess that one lol
	10:45pm Marc: If Mo ever recorded an ELP song it might give me pause, however.
	♥ 10:53pm Dave M: @Droll: Yeah, I used to talk to Jason (Donna Summer) about that. I guess he was too young to realize how "uncool" that stuff was. I was amazed at a Yes track he played one time, and he got angry. "Why does everyone put down Yes so much???!!!"
	♥ 10:54pm Dave M: @Tom: Are you saying they were Australian, not English? I bet the word means the same thing there, though.
	10:55pm miss cheri: oh dave,,speaking of mila do you own any of her movies?? cause i do...
	♥ 10:55pm Dave M: I was a big Yes fan in my day, but I have to admit there was a time you just couldn't play that stuff on the radio. I think the song was "America," which is actually great.
	♥ 10:56pm Dave M: Nope, don't think I've ever seen her. Is she anything like Ellen Page?
	10:58pm miss cheri: dave who's ellen page?
	10:59pm Droll: I think Jason would have written "WHY DDOEES EVEERRRRYOOONEEEE PUUUUUUT DOWHN HYES!????!!!!!!!!" A few weeks ago ScottW played all four sides of Tales from Topographical Oceans simultaneously (I admit partial blame for seeding that idea). I guess he missed the memo.
	11:00pm Entertainment Tonite: I heard Mila and Ellen and Kate Winslet are forming a combination Bangles/ELP tribute band
	♥ 11:02pm Dave M: I heard about Scott's "Tales" stunt. Brilliant, but unfortunately I haven't heard it yet.
	♥ 11:03pm Dave M: I'd go to see that.
	♥ 11:04pm Dave M: (I mean the Mila/Ellen/Kate band.)
	11:05pm Entertainment Tonite: The highlight is Kate stabbing the keyboard with a knife and simulating sex with it.
	11:07pm miss cheri: dave i have to split now,, but i'm enjoying your show see you soon,,
	11:08pm Entertainment Tonite: That's during "Just Another Manic Solo"
	♥ 11:08pm Dave M: Thanks. See ya, Cheri.
	11:08pm Andrew Waterloo: Rush would be my guilty pleasure. I always felt too guilty about liking Yes to really enjoy it.
	11:09pm triish: what's with all the guilt? It's music.
	11:09pm Entertainment Tonite: Other than that people wanted you to "take sides" in the great prog vs punk battle back in the day, what's to feel guilty about? Music is music.
	11:09pm Marc: OK, here's my drop-dead, unbelievably weird piece of Yes - not really trivia, but a strange fact. If you put "Tales From Topographic Oceans" into an anagram finder, you get: SOFT ORCHESTRAL, EGOMANIAC POP (I kid you not!)
	11:10pm miss cheri: but before i go,, i'm sorry about babbling about mila kunis dave night!!
	11:10pm Marc: http://www.deanjackson.dj/nameanagram/index.php?n=Tales+from+Topographic+Oceans+
	♥ 11:11pm Dave M: That's OK, Cheri, I'm used to it. @ET: Yeah, people were really taking sides at one point. It was dangerous to be a fan of certain bands in certain crowds.
	♥ 11:12pm Dave M: @Marc: Amazing!
	11:13pm Entertainment Tonite: Yeah, I was there too, Dave. Seeing the upsides and downsides of any kind of music is what made me a bad sidetaker, and eventually an FMU listener...
	11:13pm jeff: killer
	11:14pm Marc: I know, it's just one of those weird things that make your blood tingle. John Cage, back when I worked for him, had "invented" this system called "Mesostics" wherein you could find a "secret" phrase hiding in plain sight using chance operations against a chosen text. Similarly weird things popped up then.
	11:16pm Marc: Dave, if you "anagramize" your name, you get... LED MAD VAN. just sayin'
	11:22pm Robert Plant: @Marc: KEWL!
	11:22pm Droll: Prog rock, despite being rock's perennial whipping boy, is one of rock's most durable genres. There are still lots of new bands, albums, and the old fans don't die, they just stop buying re-mastered box sets.
	♥ 11:22pm Dave M: @Marc: Good to know.
	11:29pm Marc: Kevin Ayers, Joy of a Toy = JOY OF AN OKAY SEVERITY
	11:35pm G: @Droll: If the anti-proggers weren't so defensive about prog, they wouldn't have made such a point about keeping Yes out of the RnR HoF. Dave Marsh (one of the main nomination determiners) ranges strictly from punk to Bruce S., nothing flashier than that. -- That's the Dave Marsh who called Queen the first genuinely fascist rock band. So he's still fighting the good anti-prog fight even today, 35 years later.
	11:44pm Andrew Waterloo: The anti-prog thing seems very populist. Then again, most mainstream rock praise seems very populist.
	11:45pm Droll: G, Good point -- Anti-prog rhetoric is often so out of proportion to the "crime" of playing too many notes that we must assume the haters have something to hide: a secret fetishistic love for 9 minute songs with 7/8 time signatures, Mellotron, and flute solos.
	11:47pm Marc: I love 7/8 and 9-minute songs. But flute solos? That's where I draw the line, goddammit.
	11:48pm triish: Nice stochastic Sunday sorta mood to your show in my ears, tonight, Dave. Maybe. I don't know.
	♥ 11:48pm Dave M: I love all of those things.
	11:49pm Andrew Waterloo: Or the esoteric nature of music that needs to be intellectualized to be fully appreciated.
	11:49pm 12539: I hope this Mingus piece is 9 minutes long.
	11:50pm G: I think it was really politics/ideology: In other words, if punk rebelled against social injustice and was somehow left of center or anarchistic, then the music it was rebelling against must be at least crypto-fascist. Ironic, given the gentle newagey lyrics of Yes, and the lack of any rightwingness in prog music. But I suppose if you are geared up and bound and determined to fight, you are going to create an us-vs.-them template regardless of the actual facts. There's a lot of good stuff in both punk and prog (and a lot of schlock in both, too). Why the manicheanism?
	♥ 11:54pm Dave M: Mingus piece = 9:59.
	11:55pm Droll: . o O (It's interesting that even here with open-minded self-selecting WFMU listeners, prog still carries such enormous baggage. I don't think I could name another music genre which would split the comments board like that)
	11:59pm Andrew Waterloo: @G, There is another ideal where rock is more appropriately a more youthful, urban, and reckless genre that is more suited for the dance hall. There is a feeling that prog and many of the bigger classic rock bands betray that.
	12:52pm Listener Bob (2907): Listening on the archives. It's good to hear you back on the air again.

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from April 15, 2012

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Tom Hamilton	Modhera "Modhera" by "Tom Hamilton"	Pieces For Kohn/Formal & Informal Music	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Thonghuad Faited	Zeang Klong Kao "Zeang Klong Kao" by "Thonghuad Faited"	Diew Sor Isan:The North East Thai Violin of Thonghuad Faited	0:08:30 (Pop-up)
Larry Young	If "If" by "Larry Young"	Unity	0:12:42 (Pop-up)
Art Farmer Quartet	Va Da Du? "Va Da Du?" by "Art Farmer Quartet"	To Sweden with Love	0:19:21 (Pop-up)

Les Double Six	For Lena and Lennie	Les Double Six	0:33:53 (Pop-up)
Mills Brothers	Chinatown, My Chinatown	Four Boys and a Guitar:The Essential Mills Brothers	0:37:26 (Pop-up)
The Everly Brothers	I Wonder If I Care As Much	16 of Their Greatest Recordings	0:40:25 (Pop-up)
Beatles	Two of Us "Two of Us" by "Beatles"	Anthology 3	0:42:58 (Pop-up)

Roger Miller	Misunderstanding the Time	Elemental Guitar	0:53:42 (Pop-up)
Fad Gadget	State of the Nation "State of the Nation" by "Fad Gadget"	Fireside Favourites	0:56:42 (Pop-up)
Monochrome Set	Eine Symphonie des Grauens	The Independent Singles Collection	0:59:49 (Pop-up)
Eyeless in Gaza	Back from the Rains	Back from the Rains	1:02:04 (Pop-up)

Erik M	Pavlova "Pavlova" by "Erik M"	Transfall	1:13:00 (Pop-up)
Eleanor Hovda	Jo Ha Kyu "Jo Ha Kyu" by "Eleanor Hovda"	The Eleanor Hovda Collection	1:24:25 (Pop-up)
Hawkwind	Quark, Strangeness and Charm	Quark, Strangeness and Charm	1:27:11 (Pop-up)
Fanny	Candlelighter Man "Candlelighter Man" by "Fanny"	First Time in a Long Time: The Reprise Recordings	1:31:39 (Pop-up)
Moe Tucker	Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow?	I Feel So Far Away: Anthology 1974-1998	1:35:34 (Pop-up)

Vijay Iyer Trio	Optimism "Optimism" by "Vijay Iyer Trio"	Accelerando	1:50:06 (Pop-up)
Ron Anderson / Robert L. Pepper / David Tamura / Philippe Petit	[track 4]	Close Encounters of the 4 Minds	1:59:10 (Pop-up)
Neptune	Dsti Sgnl "Dsti Sgnl" by "Neptune"	Msg Rcvd	2:05:51 (Pop-up)

Comus	Diana "Diana" by "Comus"	First Utterance	2:17:35 (Pop-up)
Fairport Convention	Genesis Hall "Genesis Hall" by "Fairport Convention"	Unhalfbricking	2:22:43 (Pop-up)
Kevin Ayers	Soon Soon Soon "Soon Soon Soon" by "Kevin Ayers"	Joy of a Toy (reissue)	2:25:53 (Pop-up)
Karen Dalton	Don't Make Promises "Don't Make Promises" by "Karen Dalton"	1966	2:29:10 (Pop-up)

Fabio Orsi	My Awesome Drugs Propaganda	Stand Before Me, Oh My Soul	2:40:25 (Pop-up)
Charles Mingus Sextet with Eric Dolphy	Jitterbug Waltz	Cornell 1964	2:47:27 (Pop-up)
Jozef Van Wissem and Jim Jarmusch	Concerning the Entrance Into Eternity	Concerning the Entrance Into Eternity	2:58:55 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:06pm Richard from Venezuela: Good evening Dave. Nice hear your music selections again.
	9:06pm Destroit: Hello all good people.
	♥ 9:07pm Dave M: Evening, folks.
	9:12pm Andrew Waterloo: hello hello again
	9:13pm miss cheri: hiya dave--as i recall the last time you were on,, you never answered my question,,,do you agree that mila k. is a god?? btw great to see you once again!!
	♥ 9:14pm Dave M: Hi Andrew. Cheri: Sorry, still working on that one.
	9:17pm Theologian: Define "god".
	9:46pm glenn: define insane.
	9:49pm Theologian: @glenn: psst, ^^^^^^^ some things are better experienced phenomenologically, or phenomenillogically these tracks span quite an array of vocals, dave!
	♥ 10:00pm Dave M: Yeah, I guess. But all connected in some way...maybe.
	10:01pm sinister dexter: howdy Dave ^_^ hi listeners ^_^ enjoying the sounds here in grand rapids michigan
	♥ 10:01pm Dave M: Hey Dexter.
	10:19pm George of Troy: Another chance meeting with World of Echo . . . Most excellent. Hi Dave and fellow listeners!
	10:22pm Marc: Dave you're way cooler than Don Draper. #madmeh
	10:22pm Marc: now, where's my goddamn Hawkwind?
	10:24pm triish: Recordings that gestate in djs' bags. I bet that would make an interesting list.
	♥ 10:25pm Dave M: Greetings, George. A surprise to me too. Martha needed a fill-in at the very last minute.
	♥ 10:26pm Dave M: Marc, I have it here! I'll try to fit it into this set if I haven't lost you to Mad Men.
	♥ 10:26pm Dave M: @triish: Not so sure about that. Sometimes they gestate for a reason.
	♥ 10:27pm Dave M: Marc: Here it is, just for you.
	10:27pm Marc: No, Mad World of Echo trumps Le Draper any time...
	10:28pm Marc: Thank you thank you thank you thank you! Great record, great show!
	♥ 10:29pm Dave M: @triish: Sometimes you never get around to playing the record because it sucks and you're unwilling to admit that.
	♥ 10:30pm Dave M: @Marc: Was going to send you a photo of it earlier, but f***ing Facebook never seems to work right for me.
	10:31pm G: Diggin Dave. Draper = Drooper.
	10:31pm triish: Yet djs still carry them around. That's the interesting part, I think, quality aside. I'd guess it's pretty common.
	♥ 10:33pm Dave M: Hope springs eternal. You keep thinking, I want to play this record and I'll find a spot for it in a set someday. But You never do, because your heart's not in it.
	10:35pm triish: Looking at few old 'port' folders of my own - maybe not interesting. Maybe just 'curious'.
	10:36pm Droll: DaveM, Your rationale sounds close to admission of "guilty pleasure". Love enough to lug around, sensible enough not to air.
	♥ 10:37pm Dave M: Yeah, maybe. But there's almost nothing I won't have the nerve to air at SOME time. Except maybe "Tarkus."
	10:39pm Marc: Speaking of guilty pleasures... I'll never feel guilty listening to Mo, no matter what she's playing.
	10:41pm Droll: Sigh... My gateway DJ to FMU was DJ Donna Dummer (Jason Forrest), and he once played Tarkus in the middle of a breakcore set. That's what set FMU hook for good. (I even loved your 9 minute DP jam on your other fill in a few days ago)
	10:43pm George of Troy: Dave, does that mean you would have the nerve to play "Love Beach"? Not that I'd want you to do that . . .
	10:44pm Tom - In Gravesend Brooklyn: Fanny is Australia guess that one lol
	10:45pm Marc: If Mo ever recorded an ELP song it might give me pause, however.
	♥ 10:53pm Dave M: @Droll: Yeah, I used to talk to Jason (Donna Summer) about that. I guess he was too young to realize how "uncool" that stuff was. I was amazed at a Yes track he played one time, and he got angry. "Why does everyone put down Yes so much???!!!"
	♥ 10:54pm Dave M: @Tom: Are you saying they were Australian, not English? I bet the word means the same thing there, though.
	10:55pm miss cheri: oh dave,,speaking of mila do you own any of her movies?? cause i do...
	♥ 10:55pm Dave M: I was a big Yes fan in my day, but I have to admit there was a time you just couldn't play that stuff on the radio. I think the song was "America," which is actually great.
	♥ 10:56pm Dave M: Nope, don't think I've ever seen her. Is she anything like Ellen Page?
	10:58pm miss cheri: dave who's ellen page?
	10:59pm Droll: I think Jason would have written "WHY DDOEES EVEERRRRYOOONEEEE PUUUUUUT DOWHN HYES!????!!!!!!!!" A few weeks ago ScottW played all four sides of Tales from Topographical Oceans simultaneously (I admit partial blame for seeding that idea). I guess he missed the memo.
	11:00pm Entertainment Tonite: I heard Mila and Ellen and Kate Winslet are forming a combination Bangles/ELP tribute band
	♥ 11:02pm Dave M: I heard about Scott's "Tales" stunt. Brilliant, but unfortunately I haven't heard it yet.
	♥ 11:03pm Dave M: I'd go to see that.
	♥ 11:04pm Dave M: (I mean the Mila/Ellen/Kate band.)
	11:05pm Entertainment Tonite: The highlight is Kate stabbing the keyboard with a knife and simulating sex with it.
	11:07pm miss cheri: dave i have to split now,, but i'm enjoying your show see you soon,,
	11:08pm Entertainment Tonite: That's during "Just Another Manic Solo"
	♥ 11:08pm Dave M: Thanks. See ya, Cheri.
	11:08pm Andrew Waterloo: Rush would be my guilty pleasure. I always felt too guilty about liking Yes to really enjoy it.
	11:09pm triish: what's with all the guilt? It's music.
	11:09pm Entertainment Tonite: Other than that people wanted you to "take sides" in the great prog vs punk battle back in the day, what's to feel guilty about? Music is music.
	11:09pm Marc: OK, here's my drop-dead, unbelievably weird piece of Yes - not really trivia, but a strange fact. If you put "Tales From Topographic Oceans" into an anagram finder, you get: SOFT ORCHESTRAL, EGOMANIAC POP (I kid you not!)
	11:10pm miss cheri: but before i go,, i'm sorry about babbling about mila kunis dave night!!
	11:10pm Marc: http://www.deanjackson.dj/nameanagram/index.php?n=Tales+from+Topographic+Oceans+
	♥ 11:11pm Dave M: That's OK, Cheri, I'm used to it. @ET: Yeah, people were really taking sides at one point. It was dangerous to be a fan of certain bands in certain crowds.
	♥ 11:12pm Dave M: @Marc: Amazing!
	11:13pm Entertainment Tonite: Yeah, I was there too, Dave. Seeing the upsides and downsides of any kind of music is what made me a bad sidetaker, and eventually an FMU listener...
	11:13pm jeff: killer
	11:14pm Marc: I know, it's just one of those weird things that make your blood tingle. John Cage, back when I worked for him, had "invented" this system called "Mesostics" wherein you could find a "secret" phrase hiding in plain sight using chance operations against a chosen text. Similarly weird things popped up then.
	11:16pm Marc: Dave, if you "anagramize" your name, you get... LED MAD VAN. just sayin'
	11:22pm Robert Plant: @Marc: KEWL!
	11:22pm Droll: Prog rock, despite being rock's perennial whipping boy, is one of rock's most durable genres. There are still lots of new bands, albums, and the old fans don't die, they just stop buying re-mastered box sets.
	♥ 11:22pm Dave M: @Marc: Good to know.
	11:29pm Marc: Kevin Ayers, Joy of a Toy = JOY OF AN OKAY SEVERITY
	11:35pm G: @Droll: If the anti-proggers weren't so defensive about prog, they wouldn't have made such a point about keeping Yes out of the RnR HoF. Dave Marsh (one of the main nomination determiners) ranges strictly from punk to Bruce S., nothing flashier than that. -- That's the Dave Marsh who called Queen the first genuinely fascist rock band. So he's still fighting the good anti-prog fight even today, 35 years later.
	11:44pm Andrew Waterloo: The anti-prog thing seems very populist. Then again, most mainstream rock praise seems very populist.
	11:45pm Droll: G, Good point -- Anti-prog rhetoric is often so out of proportion to the "crime" of playing too many notes that we must assume the haters have something to hide: a secret fetishistic love for 9 minute songs with 7/8 time signatures, Mellotron, and flute solos.
	11:47pm Marc: I love 7/8 and 9-minute songs. But flute solos? That's where I draw the line, goddammit.
	11:48pm triish: Nice stochastic Sunday sorta mood to your show in my ears, tonight, Dave. Maybe. I don't know.
	♥ 11:48pm Dave M: I love all of those things.
	11:49pm Andrew Waterloo: Or the esoteric nature of music that needs to be intellectualized to be fully appreciated.
	11:49pm 12539: I hope this Mingus piece is 9 minutes long.
	11:50pm G: I think it was really politics/ideology: In other words, if punk rebelled against social injustice and was somehow left of center or anarchistic, then the music it was rebelling against must be at least crypto-fascist. Ironic, given the gentle newagey lyrics of Yes, and the lack of any rightwingness in prog music. But I suppose if you are geared up and bound and determined to fight, you are going to create an us-vs.-them template regardless of the actual facts. There's a lot of good stuff in both punk and prog (and a lot of schlock in both, too). Why the manicheanism?
	♥ 11:54pm Dave M: Mingus piece = 9:59.
	11:55pm Droll: . o O (It's interesting that even here with open-minded self-selecting WFMU listeners, prog still carries such enormous baggage. I don't think I could name another music genre which would split the comments board like that)
	11:59pm Andrew Waterloo: @G, There is another ideal where rock is more appropriately a more youthful, urban, and reckless genre that is more suited for the dance hall. There is a feeling that prog and many of the bigger classic rock bands betray that.
	12:52pm Listener Bob (2907): Listening on the archives. It's good to hear you back on the air again.

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from April 15, 2012

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