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The result of the discussion was: Delete Tiptoety talk 22:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Goodmorninggoodnightdusk.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Antoine g92 (notify | contribs).
  • Additional non-free image that is very similar to the existing non-free image in the article. The differences (colour changed, image reversed and some text added) can easily be described adequately for reader's understanding and this additional image is not needed. Replaceable with a free (text) alternative (fails WP:NFCC#1) and excessive use of non-free content (fails WP:NFCC#3a) Peripitus (Talk) 02:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete Tiptoety talk 22:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:New Nightmare Claw.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Tiptoety talk 22:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:New Nightmare Claw.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Scarce (notify | contribs).
  • Seems to be in violation of NFCC#3a. This image is used to illustrate a section discussing the claw, but the new claw is already well illustrated on the publicity photo at the start of the section, which also illustrates the change in the character's overall appearance. J Milburn (talk) 11:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The image depicts the claw in a different aspect, you can hardly see the claw in the new photo, that what just uploaded for the hat, trenchcoat, face and shirt depiction ---Scarce |||| Talk -Contrib.--- 14:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - we already have an adequate image of the glove in the publicity photo. From what I can see the difference between the photos is not going to significantly impair someone's understanding of the article - Peripitus (Talk) 21:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now that I compare the two, I can see further the better angle you get with the claw photo, the claw tips and the end of fingers are greatly depicted in the claw photo, you can barely see them in the promo pic. Because the pose he's doing and because the claw is so massive in this film, the claw gets bundled together and you can hardly see it's aspects. Look at the claw photo, how it shows everything with great detail, then look at the promo photo, it shows him wearing it. I couldn't think of a better combo of photo to show off his difference in New Nightmare. Freddy is always remembered for wearing the brown fedora, the dark red and green sweater and the very homemade looking claw. In New Nightmare, everything about his appearance changed, and i think these two photos very nicely showcase New Freddy ---Scarce |||| Talk -Contrib.--- 00:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Freddy Krueger Fonzies.png

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus/keep - problems seem to have been somewhat addressed. The article mentions that the scary appearance caused the ad to be banned in one country which seems to meet the NFCC criteria of the image itself being significant to the topic. --B (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Freddy Krueger Fonzies.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Scarce (notify | contribs).
  • This minor appearance is only mentioned in passing, and an image illustrating it is not justified as per NFCC#8. J Milburn (talk) 11:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A new depiction of Freddy? Sounds pretty important to me ---Scarce |||| Talk -Contrib.--- 14:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not exactly mentioned in passing, it does have it's own paragraph, plus the comment on the image in the thumb gives a description ---Scarce |||| Talk -Contrib.--- 23:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the problem with this image is two things. The first is that the source doesn't actually talk about his physical appearance (i.e. how it compares to the films), which means the critical commentary is on the commercial itself and not on anything specifically seen (not to mention that the source looks like someone's web blog). Second, the image is so dark and small that you really cannot tell how Freddy looks in this commercial. Low resolution is important for non-free images, but no so much that you cannot tell what you are viewing. If we could get a source discussing how he actually appears, then a shot from the O.25 sec mark would be good.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also I've added an additional citation ---Scarce |||| Talk -Contrib.--- 05:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I can see no discussion of the image that this is required to aid understanding for and there is nothing iconic about a simply profile shot of a character we already have images of. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Thisusedtobemyplaygroundmusicvideo.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Thisusedtobemyplaygroundmusicvideo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Legolas2186 (notify | contribs).
  • This image is merely a non-free depiction of the artist, and adds nothing to readers' understanding of the article as required by WP:NFCC#8. It is used only as decoration in the article and is not the subject of critical commentary. Stifle (talk) 11:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Borderlinemusicvideo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Legolas2186 (notify | contribs).
  • This image seems to fail WP:NFCC#8 as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the article and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding. It is merely a non-free depiction of the artist. Stifle (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 17:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:EddieCrushKent Cap.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tbtcvidsnap.jpeg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Suede67 (notify | contribs).
There's no non-free equivalent, as the video is copyrighted. And it does improve understanding, in my opinion. The millenium mill is not widely seen in the video and is only seen in some shots, as the video mostly features the singer walking through the city, and stop motion shots of him are more prominent. Suede67 (talk) 14:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will someone reply?! Suede67 (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I need some feedback. As I see it, it's perfectly acceptable use. If someone doesnt think so, which they do, because they cared to revert my edit, tell me why! Suede67 (talk) 19:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of my opinion about the image, removing the discussion was wrong. --Damiens.rf 19:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And since you asked: delete: this non-free image is being used purely as a decoration, and not as a necessary visual aid for a well-sourced discussion about the visual merits of the music video it was taken from. --Damiens.rf 19:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's better. Should've done that before. Suede67 (talk) 19:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Stevie Nicks in Seven Wonders.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Stevie Nicks in Edge of Seventeen screenshot.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Roodngis (notify | contribs).

I have to agree...it's also, frankly, an awful photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.94.182 (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 17:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Jimmyhatlo43.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pepso2 (notify | contribs).
  • Rationale claims image is "To identify the art style of the cartoonist profiled in the encyclopedic article", but there is already an example of the author's work. Image is also extremely high resolution. J Milburn (talk) 16:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now changed to more specific rationale, plus resolution reduced. Pepso2 (talk) 18:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hatlo did three distinctly different syndicated features. Why not show all three to clarify? Pepso2 (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Other panel has been deleted, so this is now the only example of his famed feature. It's needed to show why he was such a major talent in the field. Pepso2 (talk) 14:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:MyersFenech.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hnatiw (notify | contribs).
  • Image is used to decorate a list of characters. What this character looks like is not important. J Milburn

(talk) 17:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The word "decorate" would indicate a superficial slant to the contribution - this is not the case; The appearance of a character is of general interest to anyone who would be inclined to read the short character bios as presented within the article. To question the image's validity is to question all visual references that accompany character bios and articles. Shall we remove the picture of Mike Myers that sits atop his article as well? What defines a "decoration" vs. a "visual reference"? A sensible answer will no doubt throw my opinion in your favour. Hnatiw

(talk) 12:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would support this picture if it helped the reader visualize the character being described, assuming that there is a visual component to the character description. I don't see any such description here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.154.72.251 (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The picture is the "visual component" of the description; A photograph - in this case - is the most neutral and unbiased way of exemplifying the character's appearance. The written description should complement what is known visually - not the other way around.Hnatiw (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found the picture useful. Myers character's have a wide range of physical appearances, and I think it is useful to see how the character is being portrayed. Is the picture absolutely necessary? Of course not, but it certainly contributes. Rekov (talk) 18:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete', "useful" is not a compelling argument. The image is simply used for decoration alongside a lisst of characters with no discussion of the image. The image adds nothing significant to reader's understanding - Peripitus (Talk) 21:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, It looks like whoever added the ifdc inadvertently caused the caption to disappear as well, so most of the above comments are based on it being a lone image with no caption. With the original caption restored, the image serves a purpose. I didn't even know who that was without the caption, which is also a reason to keep it, because the image illustrates how different Myers appears in this role from his real-life appearance. Brianwc (talk) 22:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It is a picture. Picures are evil and wrong. All pictures should be replaced with words, preferably as many words as possible so that there is more to read. Unlike pictures, words don't have any decorative purpose. Only words should be present in a true traditional encyclopeaeaaedia. Reading is also difficult and requires more time than looking at a picture, thus ensuring the goals of the intellectual elite are upheld. 124.171.75.21 (talk) 09:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The use of this non-free image is not necessary for reader understanding. —teb728 t c 15:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP SO MUCH IT HURTS OH JESUS YES! 76.179.49.203 (talk) 23:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: - DElete - consensus position is that the image fails WP:NFCC#8 - Peripitus (Talk) 02:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Downed LTTE aircraft.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Snowolfd4 (notify | contribs).
  • It's not necessary to show the reader a picture of the downed aircraft to make him understand the discussion about events involved in the 2009 suicide air raid on Colombo, nor its implications. Nice, picture, yes. Free alternatives? Unlikely. Necessary for the article? No, it's just a infobox illustration for the article. Damiens.rf 18:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is necessary to show the aircraft. For one, the LTTE disputed that it was shot down, and the picture pretty much confirms it was. There was also wide speculation as to what type of aircraft was used in the attacks, and what sort of planes the Tigers had acquired. The picture also has historical significance, as this was the first aircraft shot down in combat in Sri Lanka post WWII. It is also one of the few complete pictures ever obtained of an LTTE aircraft.
Also note, the article (picture included) may it to the front page of Wikipedia, and no one else thought that the picture "not necessary" for the article. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 14:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. We don't need to show the picture to confirm the plane was shot down. We just need to attribute the information to a reliable source.
  2. We can explain what type of aircraft was used in the attacks and what sort of planes the Tigers had acquired using only free text.
  3. The picture has no historical significance. The event does. And this is not automatically inherited by its pictures.
--Damiens.rf 02:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Again, the shooting down was disputed by the LTTE, and the reliable sources used these pictures to confirm the shooting down.
  2. By that reasoning, we wouldn't need any pictures on Wikipedia at all. Why bother uploading pictures when we can just descirbe everything using "free text"? If that's the case, WP:FU should be MFDed.
  3. The image does have historical significance, because it wasn't one that was just snapped by some passerby and never seen again until now. This set of pictures were widely published in Sri Lankan and international media. And, like I said, they were used to confirm the event, making them historically significant. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 23:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per above, the nominators rational is disputed. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 15:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per above, the nominators rational is disputed. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 15:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Keep Tiptoety talk 22:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 17:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mantz.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bzuk (notify | contribs).
  • Image not found at source. Can't verify copyright holder. Damiens.rf 18:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - some searching has led me to believe that this is not a family photo but part of a Hollywood publicity shot. The image is a crop of other images on the net and I expect was used with permission rather than being released under a free licence. Of course if copyright has lapsed, under the odd US rules about this, then it would be PD but without a clear source and author this cannot be verified - Peripitus (Talk) 21:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as fair use unless a free substitute can be found. —teb728 t c 15:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • What you ask for goes completely against our policies. --Damiens.rf 17:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • In what way? Wikipedia’s non-free content policy allows the use of non-free photos subject to certain restrictions. My stated assumption that no free substitute can be found implies that it fulfils WP:NFCC#1. This is the only non-free image is used in the article, fulfilling WP:NFCC#3a. The photo is cropped and low-resolution, fulfilling WP:NFCC#3b. The use is to identify the subject of the article: By a well accepted precedent that use fulfills WP:NFCC#8. One source is http://www.aerovintage.com/mantz-bio.htm; adding that source to the image description page would fulfill WP:NFCC#10a. The image description page is tagged {{Non-free fair use in}}, fulfilling WP:NFCC#10b. Although a there is still no detailed non-free use rationale, one could be created easily which would fulfill WP:NFCC#10c. That covers all the usual objections to non-free photos. What else do you want? —teb728 t c 22:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Update: I have provided the missing source and non-free use rationale. —teb728 t c 22:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Nice try. But you know that WP:NFCC#10 actually asks for "information about the artist, publisher and copyright holder" (and not only about a random webpage where the image can be downloaded from), and this is a precondition to judging the use in regards to WP:NFCC#2. Also, since we're at it, WP:NFCC#1 is not only about free substitutes that can be found, but also about the ones that can be created. --Damiens.rf 23:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • On #10, did you intentionally omit the words "supplemented, where possible"? On #1, I addressed creation in the rationale which I provided: Inasmuch as Mantz is dead, no free photo of him could be created. Sorry but I am not able to echo your "nice try." —teb728 t c 03:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Yes, that was intentional, since the "where possible" clause is intended for notable works where the author is widely unknown (as anonymous work of arts), not for the cases where the webpage from which you downloaded the image didn't specify the copyright holder. --Damiens.rf 15:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • If the original source can be found, and it is proved that the image was published without a (c) notice then it will be {{PD-US}}. The man was widely photographed and finding a public domain image with clear provenance simply requires effort, just look for a pre-1929 image with no (c) notice or a post 1929 one with provenance and no copyright renewal. I can see no need for an image that may-or-may-not be free (as we don't know the copyright owner nor the original publication date) when a free image can be found - Peripitus (Talk) 02:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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