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::The category itself is inherently non-neutral, much like "trans-identified male" and similar terms. See [[WP:SCAREQUOTES]] and [[WP:QUOTEPOV]], which explain that there are multiple ways to distance from a claim in a way that raises suspicion about the person making it, and that these can make those statements not neutral. For BLPs, this is particularly problematic. [[User:Lewisguile|Lewisguile]] ([[User talk:Lewisguile|talk]]) 19:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::<p>The point of a close is to summarize the key points of a discussion, not every argument that was made. The BLP argument was by far the most common thing mentioned by supporters of deleting the category, so that is what I focused on in the closing statement.</p><p>As for the other PAGs you cite: The defining argument was [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#c-Yuchitown-20241015154700-Netherzone-20241014215100|rebutted by Yuchitown]]. That is evidence the intersection is defining – and that would need to be rebutted. To make a successful [[WP:CATV]] argument for deletion (and not merely purging), you need to show that it is impossible to source. No such showing was made. (And nobody made a CATV argument for purging.) If a particular article should not belong in the category, that is not a reason to delete the entire tree. Finally, [[WP:POVCAT]]: A good deal of editors think that there is nothing negative about self-ID. There wasn't really any PAGs to go off of when making the determination about which side of the neutrality question is stronger. Taken together, I closed it as no consensus.</p> Obviously, you disagree with that assessment. You have my blessing to take this to [[WP:DRV]]; I will not be overturning my close. Best, <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b> (he/they) 20:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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